[ham] [Rhodes22-list] Questions

Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:08:03 -0500

I am looking at both the regular F-8 and the T-8.

My Wife has recently requested electric start.  Since she seldom *asks* me
to spend more on the boat, I thought I'd be good and oblige.  ;-)

I assume (dangerous, I know) that the F-8 with optional electric start and
charging kit is very similar in weight to the T-8 with standard electric
start and charging kit, provided both are same shaft length.  If I get the
F-8 I will get the high-thrust prop.  Data posted on the web is somewhat
contradictory on this point.  One web site implied that 83# F-8 was with a
short shaft.

To summarize, it seems that:

83-98 # weight is not too much;
8HP is recommended by many for coastal cruising;
High thrust prop is recommended; and,
20" shaft with standard-length rails on the motor lift is OK.

Any dissent?

Jim Connolly

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Meltzer [mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:15 PM
> To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Questions
>
>
> Yamaha make both a "regular" and a high thrust 8hp.
>
> I was assuming you were looking at the "regular" at 83 pounds
> with the sailboat prop from the accessories in a long shaft. look like
> a nice motor and is directly competition with the Honda 8hp. stan
> usually cuts the rails for an long shaft.
>
> The 8hp high thrust seems overweight at 102 pounds even a little
> more that the 9.9th at 98 pounds, but the TH come in electric start
> and a extra long 25 inch shaft, for the longer shaft Stan need to
> use extra long rails to avoid tilling.
>
> It your call on the sails, right now the best mix is looking like
> a USP, 150% 110% and IMF mark II (I am sure that will start a
> debate :-), since you are on a budget and want the boat on time,
> pick what stan has in stock. Most like it will be 175 or a 110%,
> you can alway switch them out/upgrade next session.
>
> MJM
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly@speakeasy.net>
> To: "Rhodes 22 List" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Questions
>
>
> > Thanks to all for information.  A few more clarifications.
> >
> > MJM and Bob, if you run the 9.9 the weight of the T-8 isn't likely to be
> > problem, but it seems that it exceeds a weight limit I saw
> (once, somewhere,
> > but can't find now) for the GB motor lift. Stan didn't warn me
> against it,
> > but didn't endorse the T-8 either.  Have you had any problems
> with the 9.9
> > on the GB lift?
> >
> > Also, just to be clear, is the standard 7:1 motor lift the best
> match for a
> > 20" shaft motor?  If I got a XL (25") shaft, would I have to
> tilt the motor
> > to clear the water with the motor lift up or would I still need
> to get Stan
> > to extend the motor lift?
> >
> > With the standard GB furler, do you have to drop the furler
> (and forestay)
> > to change sails? (thought I saved the answer to this but I
> can't find it)
> >
> > According to NOAA data, "average" wind in Boston area is 10-13
> mph during
> > sailing season vs. 8-10 mph for Bridgeport CT. If I had to pick *one*
> > furling genoa for the next couple of years, would a 150% (if one were
> > available) be more versatile than a 175%.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jim Connolly
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Meltzer [mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 10:34 PM
> > > To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > get the 8 hp Yamaha, even with the 8 their will be time that you
> > > will have it WOT and still be wanting more, it look like the 6 and
> > > 8 are the same motor with the 6 being "derated", they weight the
> > > same, saving a few dollars in the wrong place. The Honda 8 is
> > > closet match and the tilter setup on the Yamaha is better. Honda
> > > have has more problems out of the box lately. what will really
> > > mater will be the shop you buying it from setting up the motor
> > > correctly, the cable will need to be "dialed" in right(and readjusted
> > > the year after).
> > >
> > > I run the 9.9TH, the real advantage is the able to relocate the
> > > throttle to the tiller. it also comes in a extra long shaft, alone
> > > with Stan putting rails on the motor mount(an extra 6 inches)
> > > means the motor can handle higher winds(bigger waves).
> > >
> > > Think about getting a CDI fuller, the 175% will be over powered
> > > in anything above 15 knots, you want to change to a 110% on those
> > > days.
> > >
> > > MJM
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly@speakeasy.net>
> > > To: "Rhodes 22 List" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 6:44 PM
> > > Subject: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > > My '85 recycled in the photo will be equipped with IMF, genoa furler
> > > > (presumably GB model) and 175% genoa, 7:1 motor lift, mast
> > > raising system
> > > > (i.e., generally similar to 2002 Boat Show Package #2).  There
> > > are still a
> > > > few opportunities to make choices.
> > > >
> > > > Boat will be sailed various places, mostly Boston, MA area bays,
> > > > Salem/Marblehead area, Cape Cod, etc.  Also some lake sailing
> > > in NH a week
> > > > or so a year.
> > > >
> > > > 1.  I'm thinking about a Yamaha F6 (4-stroke) outboard,
> long shaft with
> > > > optional high-thrust prop and generator kit.  Anybody have
> any input.
> > > > Hondas are nice, (have one of their lawnmowers) but more
> money, no 6HP
> > > > available.  Had good luck with Yamaha 250HP on last powerboat.
> > > Unimpressed
> > > > but no major complaints with Nissan 5HP 1-cyl 2-stroke on
> last sailboat.
> > > > Nissans are available locally at lowest prices anywhere,
> > > REgarding Yamaha, I
> > > > know survey indicated 8-HP is most popular size.  8-HPs exceed
> > > my optimal
> > > > budget, and Yamaha T-8 is very heavy.
> > > >
> > > > 2.  Is 175% genoa the best sail for this boat and the
> prevailing summer
> > > > winds in these parts, or should I ask Stan about
> availability of other
> > > > sails.
> > > >
> > > > More questions as they occur to me.  If I've missed something,
> > > let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Connolly
> > > >
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