[Rhodes22-list] Free Education

Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:36:59 -0500

Roger,

If I said anything to make you feel like sh*t I will apologize right now. I 
may be for a flat tax and reducing government waste, but I never have 
mentioned welfare or unemployment.

As you are aware I was out of work this year myself. Also thirteen years ago 
I was laid off and out of work for a few months. Both times I collected 
unemployment. That is what it is there for.

I hope things pick up for you.

Wally

>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402@centurytel.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>To: <bberner@optonline.net>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Free Education
>Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:58:33 -0500
>
>Bill,
>
>Although I didn't understand it very well at the time I was in engineering
>school, it was my humanities elective classes that enable me to carry on a
>conversation in "normal" society.  My family & most of the people I know
>don't have a clue what I did for a living & certainly didn't want to talk
>about it.  Laugh at me if you wish, but I am pretty much of a nerd.
>
>To The Rest Of You Conservatives:
>
>Speaking as someone who worked for the same company for nearly 26 years,
>paid huge taxes, never used any social "welfare" services in all that time,
>& who has now been unemployed for about 9-1/2 months - Your attitudes about
>"liberal" welfare programs make me feel like a real piece of shit.  Thanks
>for making my day.  You're sitting there fat, warm, & happy in your 
>careers.
>You haven't got a clue.  Neither did I.  Excuse me, I have to go cash my
>last unemployment check & continue looking for work.
>
>Roger Pihlaja
>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Berner" <bberner@optonline.net>
>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:19 PM
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Free Education
>
>
> > I am getting tired of being one of the few "liberal" voices around here,
> > but has everyone forgotten the education has other functions besides
> > preparing people to make a living.
> >
> > As I understandstand it, gaining  an appreciation for and understanding
> > of literature, painting, music, theater, and (gasp) philosophy, is
> > supposed to be an important part of higher education.
> >
> > Much better to spend the time and money on the NCAA.
> >
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> >
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> > e BBerner@optonline.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Alm
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:56 PM
> > To: Rhodes
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Free Education
> >
> > Good point, Paul.  However, I doubt that anyone's getting smarter
> > listening
> > to me.  (sigh)
> > Slim
> >
> > On 1/24/03 10:48 AM, "Paul Grandholm" <paul@mi.chtechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Slim,
> > >
> > >    I think what you are referring to here is free FORMAL education.
> > In
> > > my opinion, education is everywhere if you look for it.  That's why I
> > > like what we've got going here.  I may not agree with everything
> > everyone
> > > says, but if I respect their opinion and listen to what they're
> > saying, I
> > > can learn a little from each of them, and it's all FREE!  The other
> > > component that sets us apart from Cuba is our freedom.  We can say all
> > > these things without fear of government intervention.  If you're in
> > > conversation, an are willing to listen as well as speak, everyone
> > comes
> > > away from the conversation a little richer and probably smarter.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >>
> > >> As our illustrious former Gov. Jesse Ventura said after cutting
> > millions
> > >> from the Univ. of MN spurring an immediate tuition hike, "If you're
> > smart
> > >> enough to get into college, you should be able to figure out how to
> > pay for
> > >> it."
> > >>
> > >> Although it was yet another example of his shoot-from-the-hip
> > comments, I
> > >> think there's a little wisdom there.  Maybe just a little.  But if a
> > college
> > >> education was a free and easy thing, wouldn't that make any advanced
> > degree
> > >> more common and less distinguishing?  Further, in order to make their
> > >> programs look like they're working, there would be a big push to get
> > >> everybody graduated--so they'd have to dumb down the programs to
> > achieve
> > >> this.  Instead of "No child left behind" it would be "No
> > dorm-squatting,
> > >> reefer-blowing coed left behind."  [grin]
> > >>
> > >> Show me the money!  We have enough trouble funding K-12.  But I'm in
> > favor
> > >> of finding ways to make college more available to more people.  Bush
> > is now
> > >> at loggerheads within his own cabinet on Affirmative Action.
> > >> Quotas...whatever!  Let them in.  Let everybody in.  Even ere on the
> > side of
> > >> letting anybody in.  But Don't lower the bar to get out!!!!  Not even
> > the
> > >> first class.  Calculus 101 isn't supposed to be easy.
> > >>
> > >> But for the good students, we need to find more creative ways of
> > helping
> > >> them get through.  For you parents out there who are putting your
> > kids
> > >> through college, OWCH!  I feel your pain.  Tuition is outrageous.
> > Bring
> > >> back the GI Bill.  What do you say we make a new tax (gasp!) on
> > companies
> > >> that require a college degree for employment?  That money goes to the
> > >> colleges and universities (but not Bob Jones University) and offsets
> > the
> > >> tuition. We could call it the dorm-squatting, reefer-blowing tax.
> > >>
> > >> Last thought: Cuba has one of, if not the highest literacy rate in
> > the
> > >> world.  And almost everybody goes to college.  Has that helped Cubans
> > or
> > >> Cuba herself?  I'd like hearing from any of you who know more about
> > higher
> > >> ed in Cuba.
> > >>
> > >> Slim
> > >>
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> > >
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