[Rhodes22-list] WAR

[Bill Berner]

The only war that ever improved the economy was World War II, because of
its size and the amount of manufacturing that needed to occur to make
the equipment needed after a period of very little investment in
military infrastructure

Every other one in our history has done nothing to improve the economy.
In fact it is a huge drain on our treasury, sucking away resources that
could be used to in productive economic stimulating ways.

As for the link between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.  Despite the
fact that the administration has managed to make the majority of US
citizens believe that Hussein was behind the attacks of 9/11, here has
been no evidence presented of such a link, and most in the know
(intelligence wonks with specialties in the middle east) find it
exceedingly unlikely that a SECULAR dictator like Saddam and a MUSLIM
FUNDAMENTALIST EXTREMIST would have much to say to each other.

But then again, all those Arab names sound alike, and all must be in bed
together.  At least that's what W would have us believe.

Anybody remember last years State of the Union when he said he would
bring in Bin Laden dead or alive.  I guess Saddam will just have to do.

Bill Berner
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-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:52 PM
To: paul@mi.chtechnology.com; The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WAR

Paul,

Rummy's desire for a subject change not withstanding......

I'm with you. Sometimes messes have to be cleaned up. As usual it
doesn't
seem that the European community wants to deal with the problem. Of
course,
you can follow the money on this deal. The Europeans stand to lose
probably
hundreds of millions of dollars worth of oil field service contracts if
they
turn on Saddam. Far better for them to have us look like the school yard
bully.

This, to me, is very reminiscent of Hitler's build up prior to WWII,
when
everybody sat on their hands until it was too late. Some different
characters, but the same story. Look who ended up fixing that problem
with
both men and money. Not only directly to the war effort, but for the
rebuild
after. Wonder where most of Europe would be now if we had just sat back
and
defended only our own interests and not gone over to clean out the root
of
the problem. Poor memories on these people. Wonder how they'd feel if it
had
been them doing for us??? Don't answer that, I didn't want to learn how
to
speak German. That's probably the language we would be communicating in
now
if we had to count on Europe's help.

 If we give this guy enough time, he will become very dangerous. He has
plenty of money to work with.

It'll only get tougher, if we wait.

Rik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Grandholm" <paul@mi.chtechnology.com>
To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:21 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] WAR


>      I don't want the United States to go to war if it can possibly be
> avoided.  I have a hard time believing anybody does.  But I also can't
> forget about what happened on 9/11/01.  I cried for days over the
> thousands of innocent victims and their families.  I remember hearing
> questions about why our government didn't do more to prevent something
> like this from happening.  All of the signals and indications were
there.
>
>      Now I hear many of those same people saying they need more proof
> before we go into Iraq.  I just don't get it.  You can't have it both
> ways.  Saddam Hussein is the closest thing to a pathological liar and
> madman (along with Osama Bin Laden) since Hitler & Stalin.  Everybody
> wanted to negotiate with Hitler and believe he wouldn't really do the
> things he ended up doing.  How many times does the world community
need
> to be lied to before they wake up and recognize someone like that for
> what they really are?
>
>      I agree with the administration's stance that is up to Iraq to
avoid
> war.  It is easy to hide these things in a country the size of
California
> (or perhaps even in Syria) and then defy the inspectors to find them.
> It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.  We had documentation
from
> the previous inspectors that were thrown out four years ago about what
> was there.  Now all that stuff is gone and there is no documentation
that
> it was properly destroyed or disposed of.  Either prove to us that it
was
> destroyed or show us where it is.  More time is just going to produce
> more of the same.  He is thumbing his nose and laughing at the U.N.
> (especially France & Germany).
>
>      If Iraq hasn't cooperated by now, why would anyone seriously
believe
> that they suddenly would if given more time?  If war is inevitable
than I
> think it makes sense to let our military forces select the most
> advantageous timeframe for us to conduct the operation.
>
> Paul
>
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> C&H Technology
> GrandPower Components Div.
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