[Rhodes22-list] WAR

[Rik Sandberg]

Myself, I don't feel the need to link Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladin. 
Saddam Hussein has done plenty on his own to justify any treatment he gets. 
If they were able to put a solid link between the two, that would just be 
one more in a long list of atrocities. What ever may befall this guy, he 
has been asking for years.

But, I certainly wouldn't put it past him to slide Osama Bin Ladin, or any 
other terrorist, a little cash under the table, religious differences or 
not, if he thought it would be used to hurt America. You can't trust this 
guy any further than you can throw a bull by the tail!!!

Rik


At 09:04 PM 1/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The only war that ever improved the economy was World War II, because of
>its size and the amount of manufacturing that needed to occur to make
>the equipment needed after a period of very little investment in
>military infrastructure
>
>Every other one in our history has done nothing to improve the economy.
>In fact it is a huge drain on our treasury, sucking away resources that
>could be used to in productive economic stimulating ways.
>
>As for the link between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.  Despite the
>fact that the administration has managed to make the majority of US
>citizens believe that Hussein was behind the attacks of 9/11, here has
>been no evidence presented of such a link, and most in the know
>(intelligence wonks with specialties in the middle east) find it
>exceedingly unlikely that a SECULAR dictator like Saddam and a MUSLIM
>FUNDAMENTALIST EXTREMIST would have much to say to each other.
>
>But then again, all those Arab names sound alike, and all must be in bed
>together.  At least that's what W would have us believe.
>
>Anybody remember last years State of the Union when he said he would
>bring in Bin Laden dead or alive.  I guess Saddam will just have to do.
>
>Bill Berner
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:52 PM
>To: paul@mi.chtechnology.com; The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WAR
>
>Paul,
>
>Rummy's desire for a subject change not withstanding......
>
>I'm with you. Sometimes messes have to be cleaned up. As usual it
>doesn't
>seem that the European community wants to deal with the problem. Of
>course,
>you can follow the money on this deal. The Europeans stand to lose
>probably
>hundreds of millions of dollars worth of oil field service contracts if
>they
>turn on Saddam. Far better for them to have us look like the school yard
>bully.
>
>This, to me, is very reminiscent of Hitler's build up prior to WWII,
>when
>everybody sat on their hands until it was too late. Some different
>characters, but the same story. Look who ended up fixing that problem
>with
>both men and money. Not only directly to the war effort, but for the
>rebuild
>after. Wonder where most of Europe would be now if we had just sat back
>and
>defended only our own interests and not gone over to clean out the root
>of
>the problem. Poor memories on these people. Wonder how they'd feel if it
>had
>been them doing for us??? Don't answer that, I didn't want to learn how
>to
>speak German. That's probably the language we would be communicating in
>now
>if we had to count on Europe's help.
>
>  If we give this guy enough time, he will become very dangerous. He has
>plenty of money to work with.
>
>It'll only get tougher, if we wait.
>
>Rik
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Grandholm" <paul@mi.chtechnology.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:21 PM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] WAR
>
>
> >      I don't want the United States to go to war if it can possibly be
> > avoided.  I have a hard time believing anybody does.  But I also can't
> > forget about what happened on 9/11/01.  I cried for days over the
> > thousands of innocent victims and their families.  I remember hearing
> > questions about why our government didn't do more to prevent something
> > like this from happening.  All of the signals and indications were
>there.
> >
> >      Now I hear many of those same people saying they need more proof
> > before we go into Iraq.  I just don't get it.  You can't have it both
> > ways.  Saddam Hussein is the closest thing to a pathological liar and
> > madman (along with Osama Bin Laden) since Hitler & Stalin.  Everybody
> > wanted to negotiate with Hitler and believe he wouldn't really do the
> > things he ended up doing.  How many times does the world community
>need
> > to be lied to before they wake up and recognize someone like that for
> > what they really are?
> >
> >      I agree with the administration's stance that is up to Iraq to
>avoid
> > war.  It is easy to hide these things in a country the size of
>California
> > (or perhaps even in Syria) and then defy the inspectors to find them.
> > It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.  We had documentation
>from
> > the previous inspectors that were thrown out four years ago about what
> > was there.  Now all that stuff is gone and there is no documentation
>that
> > it was properly destroyed or disposed of.  Either prove to us that it
>was
> > destroyed or show us where it is.  More time is just going to produce
> > more of the same.  He is thumbing his nose and laughing at the U.N.
> > (especially France & Germany).
> >
> >      If Iraq hasn't cooperated by now, why would anyone seriously
>believe
> > that they suddenly would if given more time?  If war is inevitable
>than I
> > think it makes sense to let our military forces select the most
> > advantageous timeframe for us to conduct the operation.
> >
> > Paul
> >
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