[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water

[Ware, Joseph W.]

All day, meant while under sail.  When stoped and people were moving about,
the water drained out. Seems my question has been answered best by Roger.
Trim man trim.

Thanks all, Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: jbconnolly at speakeasy.net [mailto:jbconnolly at speakeasy.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:40 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water


In my one sail so far, Elton prompted me to notice that the static water
level in the drain tube was ~3" below the cockpit deck level, with just two
persons onboard.  

With a large crowd aboard, is it possible that you increased the draft
sufficiently to put the cockpit deck below the waterline?  When you say all
day, do you mean at the mooring/alongside the dock too?  

If so, you can (temproarily) plug that drain.  Along with the boat, Elton
delivered an expansion plug to fit the aft centerline drain in the cockpit.
Meant to stop this sort of thing.  You just need to remove it to allow
drainage when you leave the boat.

Jim Connolly
s/v Inisheer
1985 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Pihlaja [mailto:cen09402 at centurytel.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2003 11:41 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
> 
> Todd,
> 
> Whatever gave you the idea I was any sort of gentleman?
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
> 
> 
> >    I was always told that gentlemen NEVER sail to weather.
> > ---pinkies extended of course :-D
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ware, Joseph W." <joseph_ware at merck.com>
> > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:47:09 -0400
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
> >
> > > Thanks Roger, and your assumption is correct, myself included.  It's
> going
> > > to be fun learning on this boat.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Pihlaja [mailto:cen09402 at centurytel.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:43 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > The sailing performance of the Rhodes 22 is very sensitive to trim,
both
> > > port/starboard as well as fore/aft.
> > >
> > > I presume with that kind of party on board & from your question that
you
> > > didn't have a skilled crew that could sail the boat "actively".
> > >
> > > The Rhodes 22 sails best if it can be sailed as level as possible
> > > port/starboard & as nearly on the waterline fore/aft as possible.  In
> this
> > > respect, the R-22 behaves very much like a big sailing dingy.  You
> needed to
> > > put as many crew as possible up onto the windward rail & distribute
them
> > > fore/aft to keep the boat in as level trim as possible.  If there are
> waves,
> > > the crew in front are going to get wet - this is considered to be part
> of
> > > the fun.  The problem if you pile everybody into the cockpit is that
the
> > > stern of the boat does not have sufficient floatation for that much
> weight.
> > > The boat trims down by the stern.  The wetted surface of the hull
under
> the
> > > cockpit behaves like the flaps on an airplane wing when the boat is
> trimmed
> > > down by the stern.  This large wetted surface area causes a lot of
drag
> > > which tends to prevent the boat from achieving sufficient velocity to
> punch
> > > thru waves.  In addition, the R-22 develops weather helm when heeled,
> which
> > > tends to limit the boat's ability to go to weather.  It sounds like
you
> made
> > > both mistakes & thus experienced the R-22 at its worst.
> > >
> > > If you had put your crew up onto the windward rail & properly
> distributed
> > > their live ballast fore/aft; then, you would have been able to carry
> much
> > > more sail area to keep the boat moving, able to punch thru waves, and
> under
> > > control.  At times, you might have even started to plane!  Everybody
has
> > > more fun at surf city.  Try it - you'll like it!
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ware, Joseph W." <joseph_ware at merck.com>
> > > To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:40 AM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
> > >
> > >
> > > > I was out this past week with 7 people on board.  4 adults and three
> kids.
> > > > We had tons of wind, and had the genny furled from 100% down to 10%
> and
> > > > still brought water over the rail, as well as across the bow.  My
> question
> > > > is, with this many people in the boat, we had water in the cockpit
all
> > > day.
> > > > Is this normal, and is there any way to change the balance forward
to
> > > > eliminate the stern from sitting so low?
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > s/v Whisper
> > > >
> > >
> >
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