[Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)

Fri Jul 18 16:58:00 EDT 2003

Rummy,

Hmmm.....makes you wonder what he's up to....going places in such a hurry.

Rik

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:26:31 -0400, John Tonjes <johntonjes at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> Slim,
> I wouldn't feel so bad about all the gas they burn if they would just 
> quiet
> the damn things down. They run with open headers and you can hear them
> coming from five miles away. I asked the guy about the captain's choice
> lever which would run the exhaust down into the water and make the boat
> quieter.....his reply is that it would rob him of to much horsepower. 
> Let's
> see, he's got around 1000 hp, how much would be to much to lose? His 
> claim
> was that it would rob him of 300 hp....I doubt it.
>
> Rummy
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: 7/18/2003 1:46:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)
>>
>> Rummy, I'm with you.  The heavy machinery is a much bigger problem.  I
> doubt
>> I burn more than fifteen gallons a season.  It's a goddang blowboat for
>> chirstsake!  If they ban 2 cycles, I would hope that they would put a 
>> cap
> on
>> it--like over 25 or something.
>> Slim
>> P.S. You're partying with the wrong people.
>>
>> On 7/17/03 6:54 PM, "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Roger,
>> > If 2 cycle engines are outlawed, there are going to be a lot of 
>> unhappy
>> > loggers, tree trimmers, grass maintenance compamies and homeowners who
> use
>> > them for everything from blowing leaves to mowing the lawn. 
>> Personally,
> I
>> > would prefer to see the 1000 hp cigarette boats with blowers outlawed
> long
>> > before the 2 cycles are done in. I talked with a guy a few weeks ago 
>> at
> a
>> > party with just such a boat. He can go in excess of 100mph on the
> water. I
>> > didn't bother asking about fuel consumption, but he did mention he
> carried
>> > 110 gallons of high test.
>> > > Rummy
>> > > >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Date: 7/17/2003 5:22:54 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)
>> >> >> Steve,
>> >> >> Since 2-cycle engines are currently still legal to operate on most
> bodies
>> > of
>> >> water in the United States, everyone must decide for themselves what
> they
>> >> want to do re this issue.  Certainly, PWC's & large 2-cycle outboards
>> >> generate lots more pollution & waste much more fuel than the 
>> relatively
>> >> small & infrequently used outboards on our R-22's.  I realize
> replacing an
>> >> outboard engine is an expensive proposition.  I myself did not switch
> over
>> >> to 4-cycle engines overnight.  The 2-cycle Evinrude 6 came installed 
>> on
>> >> Dynamic Equilibrium when the boat was purchased in 1987 & we ran with
> that
>> >> engine for 9 years.  I replaced the 2-cycle Evinrude 6 on Dynamic
>> >> Equilibrium with the 4-cycle Honda 8 in 1996.  However, in that same
>> > year, I
>> >> converted the long shaft Evinrude 6 back to a standard length shaft &
> ran
>> >> the 2-cycle engine on our 10 foot inflatable sport dingy until 2000,
> when
>> > I
>> >> purchased the 4-cycle Honda 9.9.  I finally sold the 2-cycle Evinrude
> at a
>> >> yard sale in the summer of 2001.  By that point, the Evinrude was
> getting
>> > a
>> >> little tired & looked pretty scruffy, but it still ran reasonably 
>> well.
>> >> >> The nearly 2X greater fuel consumption & more than 10X greater 
>> exhaust
>> >> emissions issues with 2-cycle marine engines are real & well
> documented.
>> >> Their continued use does not represent good stewardship of the 
>> planet.
>> > The
>> >> real question everyone must ask themselves is, "Do you want to be 
>> part
> of
>> >> the problem or part of the solution?"  Long term, I think 2-cycle
> marine
>> >> engines will either be saddled with so much emissions control
> technology
>> >> that the cost, simplicity, & weight advantages over 4-cycle engines
> will
>> > go
>> >> away or the 2-cycle engine will be banned altogether.  There is
> already a
>> >> small but steadily growing list of bodies of water wherein it is
> illegal
>> > to
>> >> operate 2-cycle marine engines.  That's something to ponder when it
> comes
>> >> time to replace your current outboard.  If you wait until 2-cycle
> engines
>> >> are outlawed; then, your current outboard won't have much resale 
>> value.
>> >> I've already voted with my checkbook.
>> >> >> Roger Pihlaja
>> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:37 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)
>> >> >> >>> Well, Roger, I am sure you saw this coming but I like
>> >>> my little 2 cycle motor.  Pollution & all:-)
>> >>> Steve
>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
>> >>>> Richard,
>> >>>> >>>> I can usually follow your line of reasoning; but,
>> >>>> this time I'm confused.  The discussion was about
>> >>>> the relative merits of 2-cycle vs 4-cycle marine
>> >>>> engines.  What do alcohol burning model airplane
>> >>>> engines have to do with gasoline burning marine
>> >>>> engines?
>> >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
>> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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