[Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)

[Michael Meltzer]

 bill you never pay for it, the 300hp engine is $11,000+- is pays to put in the pumping, computer and sensors  for a injector
system. the low end will be 4-stoke, BTW the do make diesel outboards, used most in oil service to have a common source of fuel.
Bill specking of grunge, self evaluation time, your are acting like a fanatic here, self righious, listening to none.

MJM



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)


Frank,

Judging from the comments made by 4-stroke owners on the list they have not been reliable at all, and yet those owners keep
recommending them to new owners.  Then the new owners report that their brand new 4-strokes are not reliable either.

The engines weigh a ton--many are twice as heavy as my 8 hp 2-stroke--people are getting electric motor lifts because the engines
are so heavy.

Many owners originally bought the Honda's for reliability and then switched to Yamahas.

Owners run their engines at idle for long periods of time, first to get them warmed up, and then to expel all gas in the system
before shutting them down--thereby totally negating the "gas saving" fuel economy in boats that only need them for a few minutes to
get out of a slip or off a mooring.

"Light weight diesel" is an oxymoron.

Like you, I had hoped that my trusty old 2-stroke would die or get stolen so I could justify the purchase of the more up-to-date
4-stroke, but, again like you, that hasn't happened.  Now I'm glad.  My guess is that the Japanese will develop light weight, fuel
efficient, low pollution 2-strokes, but that my trusty old Tohatsu will never die.

Bill Effros


----- Original Message ----- 
From: FNuttersNY at aol.com
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Confused Was (Stupid People Tricks)


Well folks interesting engine debate.  I have a 91/2 hp evinrude "sporttwin"
in  a well on my 1973 R22 .  It came with the boat and is at least 30 yrs old.
 I  almost pulled it out thinking any thing that old and ugly is ready for
the scrap heap.  But I kept it in to give it a try but mounted a  new 3.3hp
2strk John. on a bracket as back up.  Well to my delight the old sporttwin runs
like a champ. No smoke  no mess and very smooth.  Starts on first pull. I have
a throttle setup that slides in and out from under the bench with reverse and
kill switch.  Two strokes have been reliable because the're simple plus they
are light weight.  You get a high hp to weight ratio.    But I would have
thought the new generation 4stks especially Hondas  would be superb and trouble
free.  I would want them to  befairly light as well.  Is this not so?  You have
me all wondering. Perhaps a small light weight desel job lurks on the horizon.
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