[Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22

[mltroy]

Steve, You may have hit on the difference that Mark is
seeing: the condition of the sails. If I remember correctly,
you have a standard main? That ought make a difference too.
I don't know that we've ever paced ourselves against a C22
but I do know that our main is newer than Mark's and if he's
using that old genoa, that alone might account for the
difference in pointing ability. On the other hand if he has
the new smaller sail, c'mon Mark, you can do better than
that. ;-)

David, where do you live? You might be able to find a Rhodes
22 owner who would take you for a sail so you could make the
comparison yourself.

Mary Lou
1991 R22  Fretless
Rock Hall, MD / Ft. Washington, PA

> David
> I have never had a Catalina 22 beat me or even come
> close.  I can't explain Mark's comments below. I have
> never even had a Catalina 25 beat me.  I have found
> that it usually take a boat over 26 feet to beat me
> but I only need them to make a couple mistakes for me
> to get them.
>
> The R22 has a real keel.  That make all the different.
> I have the 175% genney with a stardard main.  In wind
> over 15 knots, I just flatten that sails & the R22
> point very well.  The Catalina 22 does not carry the
> sail area that the R22 does. Sail adjustment is the
> key to differnet wind conditions.
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > One of our friends has a Catalina 22. He's from New
> > Zealand (I think those
> > guys are born knowing how to sail). It's got a swing
> > keel, the cockpit is
> > smaller, and I don't particularly like the feel of
> > his helm (too stiff).
> > That being said, he regularly beats us if the wind
> > is above 10 knots, and we
> > at least usually give him a run for his money when
> > the wind is less than 10
> > knots. Our sailing club uses the Portsmouth
> > yardstick handicap for our
> > regattas and our boats have similar handicapsc -
> > ours is 98 and his is 96.4.
> >
> > I've never noticed him having any problem w/ side
> > slip with his boat, and he
> > is regularly able to sail closer to the wind than
> > us. It is interesting to
> > note, however, that he has said several times that
> > in a few years he wants
> > to buy a Rhodes after sailing ours w/ us. And his
> > reasons are mostly all
> > those "quality and accessory features" that in
> > themselves wouldn't induce
> > you to trade. Go figure - different strokes....
> >
> > Mark Kaynor
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Blakey, David M.D." <DBlakey at CHKD.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:04 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
> >
> >
> > > Okay, guys,
> > >
> > > I currently have a Catalina 22, but am considering
> > a lateral move to a
> > > (hopefully!) better-performing boat.  The R22 is
> > on my short list (along
> > > with the Precision 23).  My sailing pattern is
> > mostly just leisurely
> > > daysailing close to home and, frankly, the
> > Catalina is fine for that.  But
> > > on the rare occasion when I have actually tried to
> > sail somewhere, I've
> > been
> > > disappointed with my current boat's overall
> > performance, particularly
> > upwind
> > > performance.  She makes lots of leeway, so it's
> > hard to make headway
> > toward
> > > a given destination.  So I'm asking the group for
> > some perspective here,
> > > particularly those of you who are familiar with
> > both Catalinas and Rhodes.
> > > Does the R22 sail that much better than the C22?
> > I don't question that
> > > build quality and accessory features are superior
> > in the R22, but those
> > > things in themselves wouldn't induce me to trade.
> > I'm trying to figure
> > out
> > > if it's worth the trouble and expense of trading,
> > so any advice would be
> > > appreciated.  I realize this topic has probably
> > come up on the list
> > before,
> > > but I'm new to the list, so please forgive any
> > redundancy.  In the same
> > > vein, any thoughts on the P23?  Thanks,
> > >
> > > David B.
> > >
> > >
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