[Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22

[Steve]

Yes, Mary Lou, sail shape & adjustments makes a world
of different.  I even saw a great change when I
upgraded my furler to the Schafer Snapfurl system. 
Being able to loosen luff tension on a downwind run &
tighten on a beat makes a big diferent. 

I's not really wanting to start the IMF vs. Standard
main discussion again but you got to love those
battens and the extra sail area plus adjustments that
you can put into the main does add speed.
Steve

  
--- mltroy <mltroy at netreach.net> wrote:
> Steve, You may have hit on the difference that Mark
> is
> seeing: the condition of the sails. If I remember
> correctly,
> you have a standard main? That ought make a
> difference too.
> I don't know that we've ever paced ourselves against
> a C22
> but I do know that our main is newer than Mark's and
> if he's
> using that old genoa, that alone might account for
> the
> difference in pointing ability. On the other hand if
> he has
> the new smaller sail, c'mon Mark, you can do better
> than
> that. ;-)
> 
> David, where do you live? You might be able to find
> a Rhodes
> 22 owner who would take you for a sail so you could
> make the
> comparison yourself.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22  Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD / Ft. Washington, PA
> 
> > David
> > I have never had a Catalina 22 beat me or even
> come
> > close.  I can't explain Mark's comments below. I
> have
> > never even had a Catalina 25 beat me.  I have
> found
> > that it usually take a boat over 26 feet to beat
> me
> > but I only need them to make a couple mistakes for
> me
> > to get them.
> >
> > The R22 has a real keel.  That make all the
> different.
> > I have the 175% genney with a stardard main.  In
> wind
> > over 15 knots, I just flatten that sails & the R22
> > point very well.  The Catalina 22 does not carry
> the
> > sail area that the R22 does. Sail adjustment is
> the
> > key to differnet wind conditions.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > One of our friends has a Catalina 22. He's from
> New
> > > Zealand (I think those
> > > guys are born knowing how to sail). It's got a
> swing
> > > keel, the cockpit is
> > > smaller, and I don't particularly like the feel
> of
> > > his helm (too stiff).
> > > That being said, he regularly beats us if the
> wind
> > > is above 10 knots, and we
> > > at least usually give him a run for his money
> when
> > > the wind is less than 10
> > > knots. Our sailing club uses the Portsmouth
> > > yardstick handicap for our
> > > regattas and our boats have similar handicapsc -
> > > ours is 98 and his is 96.4.
> > >
> > > I've never noticed him having any problem w/
> side
> > > slip with his boat, and he
> > > is regularly able to sail closer to the wind
> than
> > > us. It is interesting to
> > > note, however, that he has said several times
> that
> > > in a few years he wants
> > > to buy a Rhodes after sailing ours w/ us. And
> his
> > > reasons are mostly all
> > > those "quality and accessory features" that in
> > > themselves wouldn't induce
> > > you to trade. Go figure - different strokes....
> > >
> > > Mark Kaynor
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Blakey, David M.D." <DBlakey at CHKD.com>
> > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay, guys,
> > > >
> > > > I currently have a Catalina 22, but am
> considering
> > > a lateral move to a
> > > > (hopefully!) better-performing boat.  The R22
> is
> > > on my short list (along
> > > > with the Precision 23).  My sailing pattern is
> > > mostly just leisurely
> > > > daysailing close to home and, frankly, the
> > > Catalina is fine for that.  But
> > > > on the rare occasion when I have actually
> tried to
> > > sail somewhere, I've
> > > been
> > > > disappointed with my current boat's overall
> > > performance, particularly
> > > upwind
> > > > performance.  She makes lots of leeway, so
> it's
> > > hard to make headway
> > > toward
> > > > a given destination.  So I'm asking the group
> for
> > > some perspective here,
> > > > particularly those of you who are familiar
> with
> > > both Catalinas and Rhodes.
> > > > Does the R22 sail that much better than the
> C22?
> > > I don't question that
> > > > build quality and accessory features are
> superior
> > > in the R22, but those
> > > > things in themselves wouldn't induce me to
> trade.
> > > I'm trying to figure
> > > out
> > > > if it's worth the trouble and expense of
> trading,
> > > so any advice would be
> > > > appreciated.  I realize this topic has
> probably
> > > come up on the list
> > > before,
> > > > but I'm new to the list, so please forgive any
> > > redundancy.  In the same
> > > > vein, any thoughts on the P23?  Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > David B.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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