[Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22

[John Tonjes]

Break out the gunpowder Sparky, that "Little" guy is causing trouble again.

Rummy


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> To: <mltroy at netreach.net>; The Rhodes 22 mail list
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 7/24/2003 12:26:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
>
> Yes, Mary Lou, sail shape & adjustments makes a world
> of different.  I even saw a great change when I
> upgraded my furler to the Schafer Snapfurl system. 
> Being able to loosen luff tension on a downwind run &
> tighten on a beat makes a big diferent. 
>
> I's not really wanting to start the IMF vs. Standard
> main discussion again but you got to love those
> battens and the extra sail area plus adjustments that
> you can put into the main does add speed.
> Steve
>
>   
> --- mltroy <mltroy at netreach.net> wrote:
> > Steve, You may have hit on the difference that Mark
> > is
> > seeing: the condition of the sails. If I remember
> > correctly,
> > you have a standard main? That ought make a
> > difference too.
> > I don't know that we've ever paced ourselves against
> > a C22
> > but I do know that our main is newer than Mark's and
> > if he's
> > using that old genoa, that alone might account for
> > the
> > difference in pointing ability. On the other hand if
> > he has
> > the new smaller sail, c'mon Mark, you can do better
> > than
> > that. ;-)
> > 
> > David, where do you live? You might be able to find
> > a Rhodes
> > 22 owner who would take you for a sail so you could
> > make the
> > comparison yourself.
> > 
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22  Fretless
> > Rock Hall, MD / Ft. Washington, PA
> > 
> > > David
> > > I have never had a Catalina 22 beat me or even
> > come
> > > close.  I can't explain Mark's comments below. I
> > have
> > > never even had a Catalina 25 beat me.  I have
> > found
> > > that it usually take a boat over 26 feet to beat
> > me
> > > but I only need them to make a couple mistakes for
> > me
> > > to get them.
> > >
> > > The R22 has a real keel.  That make all the
> > different.
> > > I have the 175% genney with a stardard main.  In
> > wind
> > > over 15 knots, I just flatten that sails & the R22
> > > point very well.  The Catalina 22 does not carry
> > the
> > > sail area that the R22 does. Sail adjustment is
> > the
> > > key to differnet wind conditions.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > One of our friends has a Catalina 22. He's from
> > New
> > > > Zealand (I think those
> > > > guys are born knowing how to sail). It's got a
> > swing
> > > > keel, the cockpit is
> > > > smaller, and I don't particularly like the feel
> > of
> > > > his helm (too stiff).
> > > > That being said, he regularly beats us if the
> > wind
> > > > is above 10 knots, and we
> > > > at least usually give him a run for his money
> > when
> > > > the wind is less than 10
> > > > knots. Our sailing club uses the Portsmouth
> > > > yardstick handicap for our
> > > > regattas and our boats have similar handicapsc -
> > > > ours is 98 and his is 96.4.
> > > >
> > > > I've never noticed him having any problem w/
> > side
> > > > slip with his boat, and he
> > > > is regularly able to sail closer to the wind
> > than
> > > > us. It is interesting to
> > > > note, however, that he has said several times
> > that
> > > > in a few years he wants
> > > > to buy a Rhodes after sailing ours w/ us. And
> > his
> > > > reasons are mostly all
> > > > those "quality and accessory features" that in
> > > > themselves wouldn't induce
> > > > you to trade. Go figure - different strokes....
> > > >
> > > > Mark Kaynor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Blakey, David M.D." <DBlakey at CHKD.com>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Okay, guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > I currently have a Catalina 22, but am
> > considering
> > > > a lateral move to a
> > > > > (hopefully!) better-performing boat.  The R22
> > is
> > > > on my short list (along
> > > > > with the Precision 23).  My sailing pattern is
> > > > mostly just leisurely
> > > > > daysailing close to home and, frankly, the
> > > > Catalina is fine for that.  But
> > > > > on the rare occasion when I have actually
> > tried to
> > > > sail somewhere, I've
> > > > been
> > > > > disappointed with my current boat's overall
> > > > performance, particularly
> > > > upwind
> > > > > performance.  She makes lots of leeway, so
> > it's
> > > > hard to make headway
> > > > toward
> > > > > a given destination.  So I'm asking the group
> > for
> > > > some perspective here,
> > > > > particularly those of you who are familiar
> > with
> > > > both Catalinas and Rhodes.
> > > > > Does the R22 sail that much better than the
> > C22?
> > > > I don't question that
> > > > > build quality and accessory features are
> > superior
> > > > in the R22, but those
> > > > > things in themselves wouldn't induce me to
> > trade.
> > > > I'm trying to figure
> > > > out
> > > > > if it's worth the trouble and expense of
> > trading,
> > > > so any advice would be
> > > > > appreciated.  I realize this topic has
> > probably
> > > > come up on the list
> > > > before,
> > > > > but I'm new to the list, so please forgive any
> > > > redundancy.  In the same
> > > > > vein, any thoughts on the P23?  Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > David B.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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