[Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22

[Robert Quinn]

Interesting thread.  I find that I can surpass a Catalina 22 with a swing
keel but have problems against those with a fixed keel.   I also find that
when conditions are right I can out a Catalina 25.

Bob on the "NoKaOi"


----- Original Message -----
From: "mltroy" <mltroy at netreach.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22


> Steve, You may have hit on the difference that Mark is
> seeing: the condition of the sails. If I remember correctly,
> you have a standard main? That ought make a difference too.
> I don't know that we've ever paced ourselves against a C22
> but I do know that our main is newer than Mark's and if he's
> using that old genoa, that alone might account for the
> difference in pointing ability. On the other hand if he has
> the new smaller sail, c'mon Mark, you can do better than
> that. ;-)
>
> David, where do you live? You might be able to find a Rhodes
> 22 owner who would take you for a sail so you could make the
> comparison yourself.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22  Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD / Ft. Washington, PA
>
> > David
> > I have never had a Catalina 22 beat me or even come
> > close.  I can't explain Mark's comments below. I have
> > never even had a Catalina 25 beat me.  I have found
> > that it usually take a boat over 26 feet to beat me
> > but I only need them to make a couple mistakes for me
> > to get them.
> >
> > The R22 has a real keel.  That make all the different.
> > I have the 175% genney with a stardard main.  In wind
> > over 15 knots, I just flatten that sails & the R22
> > point very well.  The Catalina 22 does not carry the
> > sail area that the R22 does. Sail adjustment is the
> > key to differnet wind conditions.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > One of our friends has a Catalina 22. He's from New
> > > Zealand (I think those
> > > guys are born knowing how to sail). It's got a swing
> > > keel, the cockpit is
> > > smaller, and I don't particularly like the feel of
> > > his helm (too stiff).
> > > That being said, he regularly beats us if the wind
> > > is above 10 knots, and we
> > > at least usually give him a run for his money when
> > > the wind is less than 10
> > > knots. Our sailing club uses the Portsmouth
> > > yardstick handicap for our
> > > regattas and our boats have similar handicapsc -
> > > ours is 98 and his is 96.4.
> > >
> > > I've never noticed him having any problem w/ side
> > > slip with his boat, and he
> > > is regularly able to sail closer to the wind than
> > > us. It is interesting to
> > > note, however, that he has said several times that
> > > in a few years he wants
> > > to buy a Rhodes after sailing ours w/ us. And his
> > > reasons are mostly all
> > > those "quality and accessory features" that in
> > > themselves wouldn't induce
> > > you to trade. Go figure - different strokes....
> > >
> > > Mark Kaynor
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Blakey, David M.D." <DBlakey at CHKD.com>
> > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay, guys,
> > > >
> > > > I currently have a Catalina 22, but am considering
> > > a lateral move to a
> > > > (hopefully!) better-performing boat.  The R22 is
> > > on my short list (along
> > > > with the Precision 23).  My sailing pattern is
> > > mostly just leisurely
> > > > daysailing close to home and, frankly, the
> > > Catalina is fine for that.  But
> > > > on the rare occasion when I have actually tried to
> > > sail somewhere, I've
> > > been
> > > > disappointed with my current boat's overall
> > > performance, particularly
> > > upwind
> > > > performance.  She makes lots of leeway, so it's
> > > hard to make headway
> > > toward
> > > > a given destination.  So I'm asking the group for
> > > some perspective here,
> > > > particularly those of you who are familiar with
> > > both Catalinas and Rhodes.
> > > > Does the R22 sail that much better than the C22?
> > > I don't question that
> > > > build quality and accessory features are superior
> > > in the R22, but those
> > > > things in themselves wouldn't induce me to trade.
> > > I'm trying to figure
> > > out
> > > > if it's worth the trouble and expense of trading,
> > > so any advice would be
> > > > appreciated.  I realize this topic has probably
> > > come up on the list
> > > before,
> > > > but I'm new to the list, so please forgive any
> > > redundancy.  In the same
> > > > vein, any thoughts on the P23?  Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > David B.
> > > >
> > > >
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