[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mayday on the Hudson and other ironies

[Kroposki]

Michael,
	Since this was a jobber's hull, maybe he just poured sand into
that space and the hole/crack allowed it to wash out?
             Ed K

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mayday on the Hudson and other
ironies

Roger it is the space I am reacting to, SOP in the build is to pour
buckets of sand/polyester (along with lead/iron scrape metal
depending on the year) into that area, it forms up tight with the hull
reinforcing the area. Their should be no voids by simple
pouring process(famous last words I know). Their is still a question in
my mind exactly where the hole is but I wounding what took
out the ballast and is also causing the suspicion the it is a repair
that when wrong. Pictures!!


MJM



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mayday on the Hudson and other
ironies


> Dear High & Dry,
>
> Michael's advice about needing to completely dry out the boat ASAP
before
> starting repairs is well taken.  However, you mentioned filling in
some
> 1-1/2 gal void space in the keel with concrete.  Please give that plan
a lot
> more thought before you actually do it.  You will improve the boat's
> righting moment & give the ability to carry a little more sail area in
> stronger winds.  However, adding that much concrete to the aft part of
the
> keel will affect the fore/aft trim of the boat, causing it to sink
down by
> the stern.  Think about how much wetted surface area there is in the
hull
> under the cockpit.  If you change the angle of attack on that much
wetted
> surface area by even a couple of degrees, you will add an incredible
amount
> of drag & permanently slow the boat down in light air, heavy air,
motoring -
> all the time.  The effect will be most noticable in light air.  Your
fuel
> mileage while motoring will drop.  You will also use up some fraction
of the
> boat's reserve bouyancy in the stern, which will decrease your boat's
> ability to carry passengers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mayday on the Hudson and other
> ironies
>
>
> > standard thickness should be about 3/4-1 inch in that area, OTHO the
1973
> outsource with build all over the place, 1/32 sound like a
> > bad patch job with a single lay of glass, does it look like a patch
came
> apart? maybe after the PO fix a grounding or a drop?
> >
> > you are going to need the boat on real boat stands for a while, Find
the
> limit of the thin area, step zero might be to cut it out,
> > fill the blast with a sand/epoxy mix, mat/glass over and flair,
sand,
> epoxy overcoat. sound like you are going to need the cb trunk
> > opened. That might be the session, but you need to get the hull
dried and
> the work done before the temp go below 50 at night.
> >
> > Can you get a digital camera on it?, IIRC you are in the industry,
can you
> get it into a yard and do you want to?
> >
> > BTW, look under the cockpit and in the bow for the foam, some people
have
> reported it missing, most case PO pulling it thinking it
> > was waterlogged.
> >
> > MJM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <FNuttersNY at aol.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:31 PM
> > Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mayday on the Hudson and other
ironies
> >
> >
> > > Well folks we had a hell of a day, so far the best sailing day on
the
> > > river,estuary, what ever.  Sailing along in the middle of the
river we
> came about and
> > > suddenly went no where.  We heard banging in way of the
centerboard and
> > > though it had come loose but it still felt like it was raising and
> lowering ok.
> > > But the banging did not stop so we pulled in sails and motered for
home
> about 5
> > > miles away.  We stoped at the foot of  the Newburg/Beacon bridge
to
> watch the
> > > tide action so we could time our eta suddenly water started to
enter the
> boat.
> > >  With both pumps  and both engines running we high tailed it for
home.
> (Back
> > > to the old  2stk 4stk lots of hp not much hp and all that) we made
it in
> 35
> > > min. By that time we had ankle deep water in the  cabin but since
we
> talked
> > > about how great she floats (unsinkable and all that) I was not
woried.
> When we
> > > tide up at the dock it realy started to come in and we had to put
in a
> 1/2hp
> > > sump pump to get a head of it,  Luckely   it was high tide and we
got
> her on the
> > > trailer.  To everyones astonishment  a hole  the width of the keel
an 3
> > > inches long helped empty the boat.  It is the very aft section of
the
> keel starting
> > > at about one inch from where it fairs into the hull and the 3
inches
> down
> > > along the vertical edge of the keel just behind the centerboard
trunk.
> How it
> > > got there  no one knows it's in the damndest spot. One thing bugs
me
> however the
> > > fiberglass in that  area is very thin not mor then a 1/32.  The
void
> space is
> > > not very big maybe 11/2 gallons worth.  I'm tempted to fill it
with
> concrete.
> > >  Now repairs and improvements.  Advice wellcome  comentary aswell.
> Yours
> > > trully   High and Dry.
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