[Rhodes22-list] Higher winds

Mon Jun 2 15:21:44 EDT 2003

Mark,

You can reduce the bare pole heeling by raising the CB some. You will slide 
slip some.

Wally

>From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: <johntonjes at earthlink.net>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds
>Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:38:44 -0400
>
>Rummy,
>
>Thanks for the suggestions. Pop top and boom were both lowered, and we did
>have the traveller out on the leeward side (forgot to mention that before).
>We didn't bring the headsail sheets to the inside tracks, though we've done
>that before with the headsail partially furled with pretty good results. I
>wanted the full sail for the downwind run and we just had to head up to 
>port
>at the first turn, so bringing them inside would have been problematic. It
>would have been better if I'd planned our downwind a bit more thoroughly. 
>We
>should have brought the main to starboard and the genoa to port - then we
>could have run the lazy sheet inside ready for the turn and we wouldn't 
>have
>also had to jibe the main (which we did flawlessly this time, if I do say 
>so
>myself). Tactics, tactics.....
>
>And you're right about the hull. This was the first time we ever 
>experienced
>it. At one point we were motoring broadside to the wind and a gust lifted
>the upwind side and started pushing us over. It was a very strange feeling
>being slowly lifted and heeled over like that w/ no canvas up. I kept
>thinking "okay, it's going to stop now" but it didn't. We corrected easily
>by shifting our weight and heading up a bit, but I could just picture the
>flare acting like a wind scoop and lifting us right over.
>
>Mark
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:09 PM
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds
>
>
> > Mark,
> > A couple of suggestions. First, I'd lower the pop top and lower the boom
> > and main sail. Then I'd use the traveler. Instead of bringing it to
> > windward, I'd let it out. This will help with those nasty gusts. I have
>the
> > 175 genny and when I furl it to a smaller size, I bring the sheets 
>inside
> > the shrouds and also use an eye mounted on a track alongside the cabin.
> > I've never had to furl the main, but I know it can be done. Another
>problem
> > with those winds and gusts is that the flared hull itself becomes a
> > problem. Not much you can do about it either. Hope this helps.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org>
> > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Date: 6/2/2003 11:19:50 AM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to learn how other Rhodies w/ IMF and furling head =
> > > sail set their sails in windy, gusty conditions.
> > >
> > > We had our second regatta of the year last Saturday. At the start the 
>=
> > > wind was 18 gusting to 25. an hour later it was 23 gusting to 32, =
> > > finishing up at 17 to 23, gusting to 38. Friends who have been sailing 
>=
> > > on the lake for many years say they've never seen winds like these on 
>=
> > > the lake. Going from 17 to a gust of 38 with a 20 degree shift will 
>wake
>=
> > > you right up!
> > >
> > > Five out of the fifteen boats that started finished the course. Three 
>=
> > > boats capsized (dinghies all - one Laser actually went over 6 times, 
>but
>=
> > > persevered and went on to finish - the other two were towed in), a 
>J/22
>=
> > > lost a crew member overboard (he was recovered safely in about 10 =
> > > seconds by a nerarby coastguard auxiliary boat), a Seafarer 22's 
>tiller
>=
> > > snapped, a Catalina 22 broached pretty dramatically on a spinnaker 
>jibe
>=
> > > in the first downwind leg, then continued on to finish. Two 1"x1/8" =
> > > stainless straps that connect their tiller to their rudder cracked but 
>=
> > > did not fail completely, though they will require replacement. A =
> > > homemade canoe rig got swamped before the first mark and had to be 
>towed
>=
> > > in. One boat's headstay broke, and several other smaller failures also 
>=
> > > occurred on other boats.
> > >
> > > We didn't break anything on Raven. Julie and I completed the first leg 
>=
> > > (an exciting wing-on-wing downwind sleighride) and part the second =
> > > windward leg before deciding to drop out. We had the 135% genoa fully 
>=
> > > deployed for the downwind run to the first mark, then furled it and 
>the
>=
> > > main to slightly more than 1/2 full just before rounding the first 
>mark.
>=
> > > We did okay, but the gusts were making the main flog pretty badly, and 
>=
> > > it wasn't worth it to us to continue if it meant ripping sails or =
> > > breaking equipment. Several other boats dropped out at this point, so 
>we
>=
> > > decided to quit and see if we could help some of the boats that were =
> > > having real problems.=20
> > >
> > > We'd never sailed in winds much over about 20 mph. We knew the boat =
> > > would handle them - we were the weak link, so we went home and studied 
>=
> > > up on it. Then we went back out again yesterday (17 gusting to 29) to 
>=
> > > experiment and mess around. We started w/ the 135% genoa about 2/3 out 
>=
> > > and no main. We gradually deployed more genoa until we had it fully 
>out,
>=
> > > and got the main out to about 1/4. On a beam reach the gusts heeled us 
>a
>=
> > > bit, but at no time was the boat out of control. It was a bit trickier 
>=
> > > on a close reach but still manageable, much more so than when the main 
>=
> > > was out 1/2 way or more.=20
> > >
> > > We were surprised to find that we were able to tack on just the jib 
>from
>=
> > > close reach to close reach in about 110-115 degrees. With the main 
>fully
>=
> > > deployed we're generally able to do it in 90-100 degrees. The wind 
>died
>=
> > > a down bit (to 12-15 or so) and we fully deployed the main. While we 
>had
>=
> > > the main fully out on a beam reach one of the highter gusts laid us 
>down
>=
> > > pretty well. We headed up, furled the main most of the way, fell off 
>and
>=
> > > continued. Succeeding gusts powered us up well, but we didn't bury the 
>=
> > > rail again. When we came in, we had a nice talk w/ the winner of =
> > > Saturday's race. He suggested that we also try fully deploying the 
>main,
>=
> > > but raise the boom a bit with the topping lift to loosen the leech and 
>=
> > > let the main twist off up high. We're going to give that a try next 
>time
>=
> > > we get a chance.
> > >
> > > Mark Kaynor
> > >
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