[Rhodes22-list] Higher winds

Mon Jun 2 15:32:20 EDT 2003

Wally,

DOH! I knew that - just didn't think about it at the time. Still, it was
fun....

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds

> Mark,
>
> You can reduce the bare pole heeling by raising the CB some. You will
slide
> slip some.
>
> Wally
>
>
> >From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: <johntonjes at earthlink.net>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds
> >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:38:44 -0400
> >
> >Rummy,
> >
> >Thanks for the suggestions. Pop top and boom were both lowered, and we
did
> >have the traveller out on the leeward side (forgot to mention that
before).
> >We didn't bring the headsail sheets to the inside tracks, though we've
done
> >that before with the headsail partially furled with pretty good results.
I
> >wanted the full sail for the downwind run and we just had to head up to
> >port
> >at the first turn, so bringing them inside would have been problematic.
It
> >would have been better if I'd planned our downwind a bit more thoroughly.
> >We
> >should have brought the main to starboard and the genoa to port - then we
> >could have run the lazy sheet inside ready for the turn and we wouldn't
> >have
> >also had to jibe the main (which we did flawlessly this time, if I do say
> >so
> >myself). Tactics, tactics.....
> >
> >And you're right about the hull. This was the first time we ever
> >experienced
> >it. At one point we were motoring broadside to the wind and a gust lifted
> >the upwind side and started pushing us over. It was a very strange
feeling
> >being slowly lifted and heeled over like that w/ no canvas up. I kept
> >thinking "okay, it's going to stop now" but it didn't. We corrected
easily
> >by shifting our weight and heading up a bit, but I could just picture the
> >flare acting like a wind scoop and lifting us right over.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:09 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds
> >
> >
> > > Mark,
> > > A couple of suggestions. First, I'd lower the pop top and lower the
boom
> > > and main sail. Then I'd use the traveler. Instead of bringing it to
> > > windward, I'd let it out. This will help with those nasty gusts. I
have
> >the
> > > 175 genny and when I furl it to a smaller size, I bring the sheets
> >inside
> > > the shrouds and also use an eye mounted on a track alongside the
cabin.
> > > I've never had to furl the main, but I know it can be done. Another
> >problem
> > > with those winds and gusts is that the flared hull itself becomes a
> > > problem. Not much you can do about it either. Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Date: 6/2/2003 11:19:50 AM
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Higher winds
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested to learn how other Rhodies w/ IMF and furling head
=
> > > > sail set their sails in windy, gusty conditions.
> > > >
> > > > We had our second regatta of the year last Saturday. At the start
the
> >=
> > > > wind was 18 gusting to 25. an hour later it was 23 gusting to 32, =
> > > > finishing up at 17 to 23, gusting to 38. Friends who have been
sailing
> >=
> > > > on the lake for many years say they've never seen winds like these
on
> >=
> > > > the lake. Going from 17 to a gust of 38 with a 20 degree shift will
> >wake
> >=
> > > > you right up!
> > > >
> > > > Five out of the fifteen boats that started finished the course.
Three
> >=
> > > > boats capsized (dinghies all - one Laser actually went over 6 times,
> >but
> >=
> > > > persevered and went on to finish - the other two were towed in), a
> >J/22
> >=
> > > > lost a crew member overboard (he was recovered safely in about 10 =
> > > > seconds by a nerarby coastguard auxiliary boat), a Seafarer 22's
> >tiller
> >=
> > > > snapped, a Catalina 22 broached pretty dramatically on a spinnaker
> >jibe
> >=
> > > > in the first downwind leg, then continued on to finish. Two 1"x1/8"
=
> > > > stainless straps that connect their tiller to their rudder cracked
but
> >=
> > > > did not fail completely, though they will require replacement. A =
> > > > homemade canoe rig got swamped before the first mark and had to be
> >towed
> >=
> > > > in. One boat's headstay broke, and several other smaller failures
also
> >=
> > > > occurred on other boats.
> > > >
> > > > We didn't break anything on Raven. Julie and I completed the first
leg
> >=
> > > > (an exciting wing-on-wing downwind sleighride) and part the second =
> > > > windward leg before deciding to drop out. We had the 135% genoa
fully
> >=
> > > > deployed for the downwind run to the first mark, then furled it and
> >the
> >=
> > > > main to slightly more than 1/2 full just before rounding the first
> >mark.
> >=
> > > > We did okay, but the gusts were making the main flog pretty badly,
and
> >=
> > > > it wasn't worth it to us to continue if it meant ripping sails or =
> > > > breaking equipment. Several other boats dropped out at this point,
so
> >we
> >=
> > > > decided to quit and see if we could help some of the boats that were
=
> > > > having real problems.=20
> > > >
> > > > We'd never sailed in winds much over about 20 mph. We knew the boat
=
> > > > would handle them - we were the weak link, so we went home and
studied
> >=
> > > > up on it. Then we went back out again yesterday (17 gusting to 29)
to
> >=
> > > > experiment and mess around. We started w/ the 135% genoa about 2/3
out
> >=
> > > > and no main. We gradually deployed more genoa until we had it fully
> >out,
> >=
> > > > and got the main out to about 1/4. On a beam reach the gusts heeled
us
> >a
> >=
> > > > bit, but at no time was the boat out of control. It was a bit
trickier
> >=
> > > > on a close reach but still manageable, much more so than when the
main
> >=
> > > > was out 1/2 way or more.=20
> > > >
> > > > We were surprised to find that we were able to tack on just the jib
> >from
> >=
> > > > close reach to close reach in about 110-115 degrees. With the main
> >fully
> >=
> > > > deployed we're generally able to do it in 90-100 degrees. The wind
> >died
> >=
> > > > a down bit (to 12-15 or so) and we fully deployed the main. While we
> >had
> >=
> > > > the main fully out on a beam reach one of the highter gusts laid us
> >down
> >=
> > > > pretty well. We headed up, furled the main most of the way, fell off
> >and
> >=
> > > > continued. Succeeding gusts powered us up well, but we didn't bury
the
> >=
> > > > rail again. When we came in, we had a nice talk w/ the winner of =
> > > > Saturday's race. He suggested that we also try fully deploying the
> >main,
> >=
> > > > but raise the boom a bit with the topping lift to loosen the leech
and
> >=
> > > > let the main twist off up high. We're going to give that a try next
> >time
> >=
> > > > we get a chance.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Kaynor
> > > >
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