[Rhodes22-list] Link 10

[John Tonjes]

Michael,
One comment on your recommendations. The 8hp Tohatsu draws much less
amperage than you would think. I don't know the exact battery cable size,
but I can assure you they are less than a 2 gage cable. Also, the voltage
loss over the length of a twenty foot boat is neglible if the cable is
sized properly.

Rummy


> [Original Message]
> From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 6/4/2003 9:27:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Link 10
>
> wait until you see the cost of #2 wire :-), #2 is pretty close to being
able to handle a dead short but you still should have a
> fuss, best bet. #4-#8 will work with fussing(but bigger is better with a
low battery), 10-12 will fail. you need to run the wire
> back to the battery, NOT the fuss panel!!! figuring a 30-40 foot round
trip with all the twice and turns, plus you pickup 16 feet on
> the motor 8 foot leads, their is a real voltage drop problem. the other
issue is fussing, you should install and 40-80 amp
> breaker(wire size based) very close to the battery on the line leading
back.(cheek the tables)
>
> A real example, 10.5 volt on a link 10, was still able to start my Yamaha
9.9 th using #2 wire(dual pair type 31 AGM's). now #2 is a
> pain-in-the-ass to run, a safe bet would be #6 wire, 50 amp surface mount
breaker in the battery area(need to double check the
> tables), matching lugs, a lug crimp, heat shrink tubing and a pair of 5/8
posts for that lasserret(to be able to connect and
> disconnect the motor).
> Before you say it, a battery is cheaper :-)
> MJM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Lowe" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Link 10
>
>
> > Bill,
> > OK.  Single battery (for now) with electric start motor with a possible
> > solar panel down the road.  Now, how do you route the cables from the
> > battery to the motor and what type of connections go to the motor?  Do
the
> > wires get in the way?  Thanks
> >
> > Rob Lowe
> > S/V Getaway
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:20 PM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Link 10
> >
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > Need?  Nah.  But if you had one now you might discover you can run that
> > blender as soon as you hook up the Tohatsu.
> >
> > Here's my reply to Rummy on the same subject a couple of years ago:
> >
> > Rummy,
> >
> > I've got the Heart 10/Link 10 also and I love it.  It gives the exact
> > information you really want.  For example, your meter tells you you
have 100
> > amp hours in your battery.  Your meter tells you your lights are
drawing 10
> > amps.  How long can you run the lights before your battery is dead.
> > (Hint--the answer is not 10 hours.)  The meter will tell you how long
you
> > can run the lights.  The manual explains why the answer is not 10 hours.
> >
> > I read about Rhodes owners creating floating electric sub-stations with
> > another battery in every available space.  If they knew how many amps
they
> > actually used and how fast they replaced them they would know they
simply
> > don't need all the extra batteries.
> >
> > My boat is on a mooring.  I have 2 solar panels.  My electric starting
> > Tohatsu puts more power back than it uses.  I use as much electricity
as I
> > want.  I have never had to recharge the batteries outside the system. 
The
> > Link 10 instantly and continuously tells me the voltage, amperage,
amount of
> > power currently being used, and a pretty good estimate of how much
longer I
> > can continue to use the amount of power currently being used.
> >
> > I never have electrical anxiety.
> >
> > It's a good system.  My meter is located above the breaker panel--a
logical
> > location--the sensor must be located near the battery.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Rob Lowe
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motors with electric start
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > Thanks so much!  This was exactly what information I was looking for. 
Our
> > boat has a single battery, no solar panels, and just a voltage meter for
> > monitoring battery charge.  It sounds like hooking up the Tohatsu 8 to
that
> > battery will work.  No need for separate starting battery and the motor
will
> > keep the battery charged (assuming you run it enough, and if it does go
> > dead, use the pull starter).
> >
> > Down the road (once I pay for a new @#$#$% motor), perhaps add second
> > battery (to run the blender) and a solar panel to keep up the charge on
> > both.
> >
> > Do you really need the Link 10?  They're a bit pricey.  Thanks!
> >
> > Rob
> > S/V Getaway
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motors with electric start
> >
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > I have the electric start Tohatsu 8.  Love it.
> >
> > I have 2 batteries, linked, on board.  One would be sufficient.  Don't
waste
> > time or money on a separate "starter" battery.  There is this rope
"thingy"
> > on top of the electric start Tohatsu.  You'll never need to use it, but
I
> > tried it once--you pull on it, and the motor starts.  Ask Rummy.  Then
your
> > motor will put electricity back into the battery and you'll be able to
run
> > lights and things even if your battery goes "dead".
> >
> > The motor starts so easily you almost always put more electricity back
into
> > the battery than you withdrew by starting.
> >
> > I have 2 batteries, the Tohatsu, and 2 solar panels installed by GB.  No
> > regulator.  No problem.  My boat sits on a mooring all summer, in a
yard all
> > winter.  (I'm in Greenwich, CT.)  I never remove the batteries.  I have
> > never used shore power to recharge them.  The batteries lasted for 5
years
> > without a single problem.  I will replace them this year.
> >
> > I have, and recommend, a Link 10 meter.  It lets me know the exact
condition
> > of the batteries at all times.  I use it every time I come on board. 
It has
> > saved me a fortune in unneeded extra batteries, regulators, special
> > circuits, etc.  Also I don't yell at people who are using what turns
out to
> > be insignificant amounts of electricity, of which I have more than
enough.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Rob Lowe
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:33 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motors with electric start
> >
> >
> > I'm getting to the point where a new motor might have to be purchased. 
Took
> > the drains out of the gearbox of the old one and a nice, grey material
oozed
> > out (homogenized oil and water, I assume).  That plus the inoperative
> > reverse and the failure to start problem is pushing me towards a new
one.  I
> > was quoted $450 to extend a short shaft into a long shaft.  I've looked
at
> > the used ones on the various web sites but didn't see anything I really
> > cared for.
> >
> >
> > I'm looking at the 8Hp Tohatsu/Nissan.  Question, I'm thinking about the
> > electric start feature.  Not so much for starting the motor, but I have
no
> > charging system on the boat as it is.  I was looking at adding a
flexible
> > mount solar charger, but the cost of those is about what the electric
start
> > additional would be.  Any one have an electric start option?  How about
> > batteries, wiring, over charge protection, etc.  I've got a battery on
board
> > now, but it has to be charged though an external charger.  I would also
like
> > to add more electrical devices in the future (like inverter for a
blender,
> > got to keep up with Rummy).  Any advice is appreciated!
> >
> > Rob
> > S/V Getaway
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