[Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail -
Wearewaitingformore accurate information
Wally Buck
tnrhodey@hotmail.com
Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:41:36 -0500
Jay,
This is kind of what I was thinking of. Hopefully my main will last me at
least a few more years. By the time I am in the market this thing should
have all the bugs worked out.
Wally
>From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail -
>Wearewaitingformore accurate information
>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:05:09 -0500
>
>Wally,
>I let Jim know directly that new software dumped the .bin into a new
>location. Opened easily as a jpeg. There's normally a reason why things
>get more difficult.
>
>Anyhow, the green is closer to what the sail looks like, or maybe halfway
>in between both lines.
>
>Wally, if the dimensions we spoke of for the dead-ended topping lift are
>used-23'3" and 10'9", that's almost a 2:1 ratio, while this is a 3:1. So
>the "humpback" area (across where the topping lift would run is much more
>significant. The sunbrella area outside the mast is only slightly
>increased from maybe 12" to 16" as an approximate.
>
>Hope this helps to visualize it. I know the photos will help when
>released.
>Jay
>
>On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 12:31 PM, Wally Buck wrote:
>
>>Well now I am not sure now what file I viewed. I do remember viewing the
>>drawings ....I also remember I didn't view in browser. I associated the
>>file with The Kodak viewer and it opened.
>>
>>Then again I have slept several times since viewing and I could be
>>wrong....
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>To: kroposki@innova.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail -
>>>Wearewaitingfor more accurate information
>>>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:36:29 -0500
>>>
>>>Wally, Jim,
>>>Not sure if it's a broken url, but with or without <-II.bin> didn't
>>>work.
>>>J
>>>On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wally:
>>>> I can not see any attachments on this thread, but saw the square
>>>>sail picture on another thread, is that the attachment?
>>>> Ed K
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:37 AM
>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We
>>>>arewaitingfor more accurate information
>>>>
>>>>Jay,
>>>>
>>>>scroll all the way down to see attachments. I was able to view.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are
>>>>>waitingfor more accurate information
>>>>>Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:26:11 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim-
>>>>>If there's an attachment, it didn't come through.
>>>>>
>>>>>The leech (loose end) of the sail is only a slight triangle. It's cut
>>>>high
>>>>>to the batten, then drops to the clew. My best guess is the batten is
>>>>>about 20" in from the clew. Not sure if all these numbers work. If I
>>>>knew
>>>>>I'd be the source of info, the tape measure would have been out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Try to resend.
>>>>>Jay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Jim Connolly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jay,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am interested, but as a newbie to the R-22, I am unsure of the
>>>>>>tradeoffs
>>>>>>and benefits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After adding electric start to the motor, new sails (new 150% genoa
>>>>and
>>>>>>IMF
>>>>>>Mk-I (for now ;-)) and new cabin cushions, I am also over my
>>>>self-imposed
>>>>>>limit. :-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Somebody needs to draw a picture. I'll start You described a
>>>>four-sided
>>>>>>sail with a vertical batten. I had an image in my mind something
>>>>>>like
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>one on the left, with ~100 SF IMF Mk-I in blue, ~110SF IMF MK-II in
>>>>red
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>the dashed red line a long batten. Now you say the batten is 30"
>>>>long?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After drawing it, I see that the batten wouldn't need to be as long
>>>>>>as
>>>>I
>>>>>>had
>>>>>>initially pictured in my head. New mental picture is more like the
>>>>>>right,
>>>>>>with short batten further aft and lower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is either version even close?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Connolly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Jay Friedland [mailto:a.jayf@verizon.net]
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 AM
>>>>>>>To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting for more
>>>>>>>accurate information
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ed-
>>>>>>>You're making a lucky guess (NYC born, NJ-bred). I've lost my edge
>>>>with
>>>>>>>Stan-he offered the demo boat on one of my visits, now I'm the only
>>>>>>>source of info on this sail...can't stand the pressure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In following debates of Standard vs. IMF over the past few years,
>>>>>>>stiffening the sail has been one of the deep divisions in the boat's
>>>>>>>performance vs. convenience. I'd love to see Steve, Roger, or
>>>>>>>another
>>>>>>>Standard Mainsail user evaluate it fairly. I'm sure the power of
>>>>>>>sail
>>>>>>>draft will still make the Standard perform better, but it would be
>>>>>>>interesting to see how much this closes the gap. Stan's designs
>>>>always
>>>>>>>defy traditional sail controls. He ought to do a manual in his spare
>>>>>>>time on Sail Control with the R22.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The batten itself is about 30" long and really flattens the whole
>>>>>>>mainsail significantly, probably even more significantly as the sail
>>>>is
>>>>>>>stretched with use. In a conversation with Tom Deliberto, he had his
>>>>>>>gennie designed as a biradial cut to compensate for stretch. He's
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>only one I know that has done this, but reefing and stretch are the
>>>>two
>>>>>>>things I've seen affect performance. If both factors can be
>>>>>>>addressed
>>>>>>>this way, I see new main as a big plus. On most other boats without
>>>>>>>furled/protected sails, sail life is typically limited to 4-5 years
>>>>>>>based on use and wind conditions. With the above improvements, sail
>>>>>>>life plus performance, it adds another advantage to the convenience
>>>>of
>>>>>>>the R22.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, I'm not sure if I mentioned the CO2 cartridges that are
>>>>needed
>>>>>>>for the new main.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did Jim Connolly mention he's waiting on the MK II as the new
>>>>>>>design?
>>>>>>>Jay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:30 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jay,
>>>>>>>> I thought you were from New York. Are you telling us that some
>>>>>>>>guy from Brooklyn snuck one by you? Oh come on now.
>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Name: imfMk-II.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 359992 bytes Desc: not
>>>>available
>>>>>>Url:
>>>>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200303/05/
>>>>>>imfMk-
>>>>
>>>>>>II.bin
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