[Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes

[Michael Meltzer]

I know I should comeup with something insightful here, but no matter what say some one going to be mad, so I try this ;-)

The Reason We use the term port and starboard on a boat, is because right and left depend on the way we face.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes


> Hey Bill,
> Remember that if the boat leans to the left, it's because you're on the
> starboard tack... I have no idea what I mean by that but it sounds profound.
> 8-)  8-)
> 
> Please feel free to post your own soap boxing.  But if you use inflammatory
> rhetoric such as "conservative claptrap" you're sinking to their level and
> should expect more starboard cannon fire.
> 
> We who sit on the port rail are in the good company of most of the nation's
> great thinkers who occupy most of the professorship positions at the
> colleges and universities in this great country of ours, so take heart and
> let fly!  Don't let that mean old Brad get your goat--don't get mad, get
> even!  8-)   
> 
> What the republican party needs, for example, is just ONE good poet--the
> poor suckers don't have any.  The great Minnesota thinker, Garrison Keilor,
> has volunteered.  8-)
> 
> Roses are red, violet are blue,
> Don't quit the list, Bill,
> Lots of us think like you.
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 5/27/03 2:19 PM, "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> > I've been prompted to write by Brad's last couple of posts, especially
> > "Rumsfeld apologizes"
> > 
> > I started in to write a suggestion that the list charter be modified to ask
> > that members be refrain from soap boxing their political positions.
> > 
> > Then I realized that it would be asking for the group to curtail Freedom of
> > Speech.
> > 
> > So, I'm left with a conundrum.
> > 
> > I am personally sick and tired of the inflammatory conservative claptrap
> > that shows up here.  It's isn't always the substance that irks me so much,
> > but the belligerance, sarcasm and school yard bullying quality of so many of
> > the posts. I have rarely seen any acknowledgement that issues can be
> > multifaceted and complicated.
> > 
> > Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all of the cannon fire comes from the
> > starboard side, and I'm pretty tired of it.
> > 
> > Chances are that I'll have to quit the list to resolve the issue, not a
> > choice I easily make.  There has been some good company here, and lot's of
> > good information.
> > 
> > Curious to see responses, then I'll shut up and make a decision.
> > 
> > 
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> > 
> > v 914 478 2896
> > f 914 478 3856
> > e BBerner at optonline.net
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rumsfeld Apologizes
> > 
> > May 26, 2003 
> > Rumsfeld Apologizes for Hyping Saddam Threat
> > (2003-05-26) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald
> > Rumsfeld apologized to Senate Democrats today for
> > pre-war "hyping" of the threat posed by Saddam
> > Hussein's regime.
> > 
> > "I'm sorry Senators Biden, Rockefeller, Byrd, Roberts
> > and others," said a contrite Mr. Rumsfeld. "We
> > overestimated the threat posed by a lunatic dictator,
> > who hated the U.S. and Israel, and who paid rewards to
> > families of Palestinian terrorists. In an age when two
> > of the world's tallest buildings can be brought down
> > with tools used by the stockboy at K-Mart, we should
> > have demanded more concrete evidence of exotic weapons
> > of mass destruction. Saddam was helpless as a kitten
> > up a tree."
> > 
> > Sen. Rockefeller, D-WV, said Congress must determine
> > whether the administration "intentionally
> > overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just
> > misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad
> > outcome."
> > 
> > Mr. Rumsfeld agreed, "What an awful outcome. We deeply
> > regret freeing the Iraqi people from a murderous gang
> > of thugs masquerading in the United Nations as a
> > representative republic. We're sorry that the Iraqi
> > people have discovered thousands of graves of their
> > Saddam-murdered relatives. It's none of our business
> > if people want to live like that."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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