[Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes

[John Tonjes]

Saroj,
I'm on the same tack with you.

Rummy


> [Original Message]
> From: Saroj <saroj at pathfind.net>
> To: <bberner at optonline.net>; The Rhodes 22 mail list
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 5/27/2003 4:39:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>
> Bill,
>
> I used to think I was a "port-sider".  Now I'm not sure.  Although I
dislike
> Bush (I really can't stand his whiny voice and the fact that the stock
> market plunges every time his face appears on T.V.), I DO support the Iraq
> "war" and I love Colin Powell.  I'm an "old" ex-hippie with a lot of
> varied -- good and bad, but always interesting -- experiences under my
belt.
> However,  I just can't abide the horror that Saddam and his cronies meted
on
> the Iraqi people and I'm only sorry that the elder Bush didn't finish the
> job 12 years ago.  What a waste of people and money his lack of action
> caused.
>
> So I don't know that I "fit" in any particular side.  I really don't care
> what others on the list express or not vis a vis political crapola. 
However
> know that there are a number of porties or centerboarders on the list to
> balance out the starboarders.  I suppose you'll find me on one side or the
> other depending on the tack.
>
> I mainly want to sail, dance, drum, have fun, explore and learn shit --
and
> drive my Miata with the top down and the wind blowing my (grey-ish) hair
all
> around.  I'm sorry for all of the ills in the world; people who suffer,
etc.
> God knows I've had enough of that in my own life and I don't wish it on
> anyone.  However if I could spend the rest of my life cruising around the
> world facing the day to day challenges of sailing and socializing, I
> wouldn't care if I never heard another news report.  That's my stand.  As
> selfish as it sounds, that's it.  I'm doing whatever I can to make it
> happen.
>
> So I suggest you ignore the political garbage if it doesn't appeal to you
> and take what does and express yourself on the list whenever you feel so
> moved.
>
> Saroj
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>
>
> > I've been prompted to write by Brad's last couple of posts, especially
> > "Rumsfeld apologizes"
> >
> > I started in to write a suggestion that the list charter be modified to
> ask
> > that members be refrain from soap boxing their political positions.
> >
> > Then I realized that it would be asking for the group to curtail Freedom
> of
> > Speech.
> >
> > So, I'm left with a conundrum.
> >
> > I am personally sick and tired of the inflammatory conservative claptrap
> > that shows up here.  It's isn't always the substance that irks me so
much,
> > but the belligerance, sarcasm and school yard bullying quality of so
many
> of
> > the posts. I have rarely seen any acknowledgement that issues can be
> > multifaceted and complicated.
> >
> > Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all of the cannon fire comes from the
> > starboard side, and I'm pretty tired of it.
> >
> > Chances are that I'll have to quit the list to resolve the issue, not a
> > choice I easily make.  There has been some good company here, and lot's
of
> > good information.
> >
> > Curious to see responses, then I'll shut up and make a decision.
> >
> >
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> >
> > v 914 478 2896
> > f 914 478 3856
> > e BBerner at optonline.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rumsfeld Apologizes
> >
> > May 26, 2003
> > Rumsfeld Apologizes for Hyping Saddam Threat
> > (2003-05-26) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald
> > Rumsfeld apologized to Senate Democrats today for
> > pre-war "hyping" of the threat posed by Saddam
> > Hussein's regime.
> >
> > "I'm sorry Senators Biden, Rockefeller, Byrd, Roberts
> > and others," said a contrite Mr. Rumsfeld. "We
> > overestimated the threat posed by a lunatic dictator,
> > who hated the U.S. and Israel, and who paid rewards to
> > families of Palestinian terrorists. In an age when two
> > of the world's tallest buildings can be brought down
> > with tools used by the stockboy at K-Mart, we should
> > have demanded more concrete evidence of exotic weapons
> > of mass destruction. Saddam was helpless as a kitten
> > up a tree."
> >
> > Sen. Rockefeller, D-WV, said Congress must determine
> > whether the administration "intentionally
> > overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just
> > misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad
> > outcome."
> >
> > Mr. Rumsfeld agreed, "What an awful outcome. We deeply
> > regret freeing the Iraqi people from a murderous gang
> > of thugs masquerading in the United Nations as a
> > representative republic. We're sorry that the Iraqi
> > people have discovered thousands of graves of their
> > Saddam-murdered relatives. It's none of our business
> > if people want to live like that."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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