[Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes

[Bill Berner]

Anne

I'm blushing

BB

Bill Berner
191 South Broadway
Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
 
v 914 478 2896
f 914 478 3856
e BBerner at optonline.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of anima
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:36 PM
To: Saroj; The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes

Oh, Saroj,
I second that!
Gee, Bill, some of us just moan silently but get along.
As for me, I would miss you terribly!
I am so far left of most of these opinions, but one must
persevere. I hear horrendous left messages all day long
but simply smile....I spell it "snile" because it is not for
me to say at that time...it becomes my own special chuckle
for my ride home. It  is like blind dates where you have to
snile and be nice but immediately call a gal who knows YOU
and discuss the lowdown!
I believe gals have this at a more sophisticated level with
our experiences. I have learned more from southern two-faced
women (whom I have truly depised) than I would like to admit!
I have had a very enjoyable time with the Brad-ster and
would not give up a moment of time spent with him for
he is more laid back than he "sounds" on here. I figure
the bark is just louder on this R-22 list. It is his game and keeps
him sharp for being a pilot, just as I thrived on far leftist politics
to keep me wound up to do 12 hour night shifts in trauma for
23 years. It is a drug, to get down to basics.
It IS garbage.
Take it that way and glean the cream off the top! YOU deserve it,
for you have contributed some of the best!
Anne





----- Original Message -----
From: "Saroj" <saroj at pathfind.net>
To: <bberner at optonline.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes


> Bill,
>
> I used to think I was a "port-sider".  Now I'm not sure.  Although I
dislike
> Bush (I really can't stand his whiny voice and the fact that the stock
> market plunges every time his face appears on T.V.), I DO support the Iraq
> "war" and I love Colin Powell.  I'm an "old" ex-hippie with a lot of
> varied -- good and bad, but always interesting -- experiences under my
belt.
> However,  I just can't abide the horror that Saddam and his cronies meted
on
> the Iraqi people and I'm only sorry that the elder Bush didn't finish the
> job 12 years ago.  What a waste of people and money his lack of action
> caused.
>
> So I don't know that I "fit" in any particular side.  I really don't care
> what others on the list express or not vis a vis political crapola.
However
> know that there are a number of porties or centerboarders on the list to
> balance out the starboarders.  I suppose you'll find me on one side or the
> other depending on the tack.
>
> I mainly want to sail, dance, drum, have fun, explore and learn shit --
and
> drive my Miata with the top down and the wind blowing my (grey-ish) hair
all
> around.  I'm sorry for all of the ills in the world; people who suffer,
etc.
> God knows I've had enough of that in my own life and I don't wish it on
> anyone.  However if I could spend the rest of my life cruising around the
> world facing the day to day challenges of sailing and socializing, I
> wouldn't care if I never heard another news report.  That's my stand.  As
> selfish as it sounds, that's it.  I'm doing whatever I can to make it
> happen.
>
> So I suggest you ignore the political garbage if it doesn't appeal to you
> and take what does and express yourself on the list whenever you feel so
> moved.
>
> Saroj
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>
>
> > I've been prompted to write by Brad's last couple of posts, especially
> > "Rumsfeld apologizes"
> >
> > I started in to write a suggestion that the list charter be modified to
> ask
> > that members be refrain from soap boxing their political positions.
> >
> > Then I realized that it would be asking for the group to curtail Freedom
> of
> > Speech.
> >
> > So, I'm left with a conundrum.
> >
> > I am personally sick and tired of the inflammatory conservative claptrap
> > that shows up here.  It's isn't always the substance that irks me so
much,
> > but the belligerance, sarcasm and school yard bullying quality of so
many
> of
> > the posts. I have rarely seen any acknowledgement that issues can be
> > multifaceted and complicated.
> >
> > Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all of the cannon fire comes from the
> > starboard side, and I'm pretty tired of it.
> >
> > Chances are that I'll have to quit the list to resolve the issue, not a
> > choice I easily make.  There has been some good company here, and lot's
of
> > good information.
> >
> > Curious to see responses, then I'll shut up and make a decision.
> >
> >
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> >
> > v 914 478 2896
> > f 914 478 3856
> > e BBerner at optonline.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:37 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rumsfeld Apologizes
> >
> > May 26, 2003
> > Rumsfeld Apologizes for Hyping Saddam Threat
> > (2003-05-26) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald
> > Rumsfeld apologized to Senate Democrats today for
> > pre-war "hyping" of the threat posed by Saddam
> > Hussein's regime.
> >
> > "I'm sorry Senators Biden, Rockefeller, Byrd, Roberts
> > and others," said a contrite Mr. Rumsfeld. "We
> > overestimated the threat posed by a lunatic dictator,
> > who hated the U.S. and Israel, and who paid rewards to
> > families of Palestinian terrorists. In an age when two
> > of the world's tallest buildings can be brought down
> > with tools used by the stockboy at K-Mart, we should
> > have demanded more concrete evidence of exotic weapons
> > of mass destruction. Saddam was helpless as a kitten
> > up a tree."
> >
> > Sen. Rockefeller, D-WV, said Congress must determine
> > whether the administration "intentionally
> > overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just
> > misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad
> > outcome."
> >
> > Mr. Rumsfeld agreed, "What an awful outcome. We deeply
> > regret freeing the Iraqi people from a murderous gang
> > of thugs masquerading in the United Nations as a
> > representative republic. We're sorry that the Iraqi
> > people have discovered thousands of graves of their
> > Saddam-murdered relatives. It's none of our business
> > if people want to live like that."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > __________________________________________________
> > Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>
> __________________________________________________
> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list

__________________________________________________
Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list