[Rhodes22-list] file sharing on a sailboat..

[Steve Alm]

Lou,

Thanks for your thoughts.  But just for clarification, when I made the
analogy about dubbing records onto cassettes, I was guessing that you were
old enough to remember when we all had our vinyl record turntables patched
into cassette decks to dub copies for our friends, or in my case, dubbing to
cassette for rehearsal--it's a lot easier to learn a song from a cassette
where you can start and stop easily rather than dropping the needle.
(Although many of my records are scratched up pretty badly for this very
reason--especially my Leo Kottke records.)   But they're both analog.  The
point is, there's always been a lot of bootlegging going on, but there were
never any lawsuits until now.

As for your analogy on navigation charts, I think it's the very same issue.
We'll be seeing these other variations of the same argument cropping up
soon. DVD movies are next. And did you see that the Harry Potter books, in
their entirety, have already made their way to the internet? Copying for
"study" is not illegal, but copying for the "use" of others is illegal.  I
know how vague that sounds.  That's why we have lawyers--I think.  8-)
But is it illegal to buy a Harry Potter book, scan it and post it on the
internet?  The answer is no.  Is it illegal for someone else to download it?
No.  Can they do whatever they want with it, such as reprinting or reselling
it?  No.  Should they be sued just for downloading it?  NO!!!  It's not as
though it were contraband or child porn or something.

This begs the question: Just how intellectual is this property anyway? 8-)

Slim

On 11/13/03 2:40 PM, "Lou Rosenberg" <lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu> wrote:

> Slim..
> Just read your post on P2P.. I agree with you on the privacy violation.
> The Supreme Court should hear this case and hopefully when it does
> there will be some sane jurists on it.
> You make the case for being able to just buy one song ,, enter
> iTunes and need I say anything more.  I love my Mac but have not
> fallen victim of going to my credit or debit card to pay .99for music
> which should cost CONSIDERABLY LESS per song on a contractual basis
> as they require.
> But your analogy on taping things and releasing the analog copies is
> a poor one.   As a videographer  I need use of many online songs to
> complete NOT FOR BROADCAST work but have to constantly remind my
> clients that this is blatantly illegal .  Most clients supply their
> own CD or  cassette and the issue is easily resolved, but songs are
> downloaded for personal videos 24/7 and they  (ARA) know this.  ARA
> want to have a beachead to start their war against piracy which does
> increase the price consumers pay at the store.  They might have won
> the first battle but eventually i think they lose the war .
> And  for the sailboat analogy..
> and this is not a great one but it comes to mind first..
> A)  If i found a chart of certain waters that is up to date but not
> released to the public as yet and scan it into my computer and share
> it with you, am I breaking a copyright law or a Coast Guard
> regulation ?
> B) If another chart is published and I am just sharing it with you am
> I still breaking the law because its 'just a piece of paper' or am I
> being a good sailor and sharing what I know with another sailor just
> to be friendly?  That chart may have cost just as much to produce as
> a professional music CD.
> Just my .02 on this matter
> Lou
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