[Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

[Steve Alm]

It always makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up when they call them
"casualties."
Slim

On 4/1/04 9:45 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Keep those sites coming!  They're very helpful.  While we're at it, please
> note the Bushies have changed the meaning of "Killed in Action".  If a soldier
> is hiding under a truck while being fired upon and the truck topples over on
> him and kills him, that used to be counted as "Killed in Action".  Now that is
> classified as an accident, not a combat death.  Watch for it, and you'll see
> all sorts of classifications of deaths that we didn't make in previous wars.
> 
> Did you post this one on this list previously?:
> 
> http://costofwar.com/
> 
> Bill Effros 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Kaynor
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000 people
> would be alive now.  You can't argue with that."
> 
> See  http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you must have meant "American
> people". And who knows what would have happened if Clinton had done what
> Bush did? It could have incited even higher levels of anti-Americanism and
> more terrorist acts.
> 
> And I love this sentiment - "If they act up, well stomp on them." I wonder
> why some of them don't like us?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
> 
> 
> Slim
> Let me help you with your answer below.  I know you
> Liberal are out there but you really need to stop
> hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> 
> The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton, then
> WHO?  Halliburton is one of the biggest company in the
> world, operating in countries with offices all over
> the world.  The US can't contract with Billy Bob
> Democrate if they are not big enough to handle the
> job.  Halliburton is hugh.  All contractor have audit
> problems.  Trust me, I work for the government; all
> contractors get audit findings and when the auditors
> find something; the problem is corected.  Its normal
> whether the contractor is Democrate or Republican.
> 
> The US is safer; much safer.  Remember, since 9/11, we
> haven't been hit on our own soil.  Yes, thier hitting
> us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military, NOT
> citizens.  We are keeping them pin down over there,
> oversea.  This is the smart things to do.  Remember,
> Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin towers,
> Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all Clinton
> did was lob a few bombs at them.  Think about it, if
> Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000 people
> would be alive now.  You can't argue with that.
> 
> As for oil prices, This country has plenty of oil. If
> democrate would stop fighting and let the US pump its
> own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.  You
> can't blame that on Bush.  Remember, up in Alaski
> where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else -
> think about it - why don't we pump that out & use it.
> Its the Democrate that stop that.  Funny thing is that
> the people in Alaski wanted the business up there.  Go
> figure!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> As for US relation, remember we are the lone Super
> Power,  sometimes everbody is not going to like us.
> Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for freedom
> around the world, for rights for Women & children.
> You would think that these are Democrate values.
> Whats up with that?  Besides screw the French &
> Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a wet
> paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them before &
> we can do it again if they don't like what we are
> doing.  That why we keep Militery Bases in Germany &
> Japan.  If they act up, well stomp on them.  You all
> should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is NOT
> Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!!  Its always best to
> fight on some other country soil.
> 
> As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon & Bush
> Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI & military
> budgets to make that surplus.  Bush Jr. will fix the
> mess that Clinton made.  YOu should be thanking Bush.
> If you analyze economice over the last decade, you
> would know this.  LIke I said, you got to stop hating
> Bush and analyze these things.  I don't hate Clinton,
> you a good old country boy who liked to party.  He
> party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew government
> out of control, our supress court rule that our
> Education system was unconstitutional.  Now you would
> think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a mess.
> 
> O'well, this is a waste of my time.  Folks you have to
> analyze things for what they are, leave personal
> feeling out of it.  Do what best for our country!!!!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>> Is Halliburton making a fortune?  Yes!  Has this
>> stabilized the middle east?
>> No!  Has it made the US safer?  No!  Has it had a
>> positive effect on gas
>> prices?  Yes, if you're an oil company.  Has Bush
>> spent his way to the
>> highest deficit in history?  Yes!  Has it led to
>> better US relations with
>> ANY other country in the world?  Yes, if you're
>> Israel.  Has this
>> administration become a Fascist regime?  Yes!
>> (Fascism:  When government is
>> in bed with industry, when civil rights are taken
>> away and the rule is by
>> intimidation, threat and fear.)  Is the war on
>> terrorism best fought in Iraq
>> (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000 troops) or
>> Afghanistan (confirmed
>> connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?) And
>> speaking of connections to
>> 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship with
>> Saudi Arabia?  Could it
>> be...um...the oil?  Is it not the real Taliban
>> training ground?  Most of the
>> hijackers were Saudis,  Osama's a Saudi.  Hello????
>> One week after 9/11,
>> anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into the
>> US.  Egyptian--No!
>> Iranian--No!  Moroccan--No!  French--Kiss My Ass!
>> Oh, but Saudis--no
>> problem.  Bring money!
>> 
>> And does all this take Americans' minds off the
>> domestic problems that Bush
>> has worsened?  He wishes!!!
>> 
>> So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today (Wed)
>> from Fallujah, huh?  I'm
>> referring to the nine Americans killed in a raid
>> where Iraqis dragged the
>> burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and hung
>> them up on a bridge.  How's
>> he gonna sugar-coat that one?  Is THAT simply
>> leftist reporting?  A couple
>> weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some say
>> ABC is too liberal, some
>> say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says it's
>> conservative) was on
>> location in Iraq reporting on the state of affairs
>> one year after the
>> invasion.  There was plenty of positive news, but to
>> suggest that the Dems
>> are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like this one
>> from Fallujah is
>> absurd.  C' mon!  Consider the source.  Geraldo
>> Rivera???!!!  I'll take Al
>> Franken's word over Geraldo's any day.  Hell, I'd
>> even take Rush Limbaugh's
>> word over Geraldo's.
>> 
>> But my real hero these days is Richard
>> Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
>> There's no getting around it--the incumbent has to
>> go come November!!!
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
>> <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey mark, check this out in scopes.  It was just
>> sent to me.
>>> 
>>> The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
>>> 
>>> "They have a saying in the news business," Geraldo
>> Rivera related this
>>> week. "Reporters don't report buildings that don't
>> burn." And with that
>>> introduction, he told a TV audience about the
>> story that is being
>>> systematically denied to our entire nation: the
>> success story of
>>> post-Saddam Iraq.
>>> 
>>> Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,. Is
>> there some frustration
>>> in the public about electricity and water service?
>> Yes. Are some Saddam
>>> Hussein loyalists throughout the land, making
>> trouble? Yes. Has this
>>> opened a window for some terrorist mischief? Yes.
>> But that's ALL we
>>> hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed mood
>> about Iraq. If you hear
>>> about the buildings that are not burning, though,
>> it is a different
>>> story indeed.
>>> 
>>> Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But Bush,
>> Condi Rice and Colin
>>> Powell together could not have been as effective
>> as Geraldo was Thursday
>>> night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes
>> program.
>>> 
>>> "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized it,"
>> he began, Comparing his
>>> just-completed trip to two others he made during
>> and just after the
>>> battle to topple Saddam. "You have over 30,000
>> Iraqi cops and militiamen
>>> already on the job.
>>> 
>>> This is four months after major fighting stopped.
>> Can you imagine that
>>> kind of gearing up in this country? Law and order
>> is better;
>>> archaeological sites are being preserved;
>> factories, schools are being
>>> guarded." But what about the secondhand griping
>> that the media have been
>>> so efficiently relating about power, water and
>> other infrastructure?
>>> 
>>> "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not true,"
>> answered Rivera. "Iraq
>>> is being built. There was no infrastructure
>> before; we are doing it. I
>>> just think the good news is being underestimated
>> and underreported." At
>>> this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel about
>> the voices telling us
>>> only about the bad news in Iraq, whether from the
>> mouths of news anchors
>>> or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At best, they
>> are underinformed. At
>>> worst, their one-sided assessments of post-Saddam
>> Iraq are intentional
>>> falsehoods for obvious reasons.
>>> 
>>> If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
>> Accomplished" banner
>>> beneath which President Bush thanked a shipload of
>> sailors and Marines a
>>> few months back, I'm going to spit. That was a
>> reference to the ouster
>>> of Saddam's regime, and that mission was indeed
>> accomplished, apparently
>>> to the great chagrin of the American left. No one
>> said what followed
>>> would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
>> dripping-water torture of the
>>> cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
>> Remember we pay our
>>> soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft Bragg,
>> North Carolina. We
>>> should all mourn the loss of every fallen soldier.
>> But context cries out
>>> to be heard. Our present news media is not
>> performing this task. As some
>>> dare to wonder if this might become a Vietnam-like
>> quagmire, I'll remind
>>> whoever needs it that most of our 58,000 Vietnam
>> war toll died between
>>> 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an average of
>> about 8,000 per year.
>>> That's about 22 per day, every day, for thousands
>> of days on
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Local elections are under way across Iraq, Rivera
>> reported. "Where Kurds
>>> and Arabs have been battling for decades, things
>> have been settling
>>> down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a great
>> job." So does Geraldo
>>> think his media colleagues are intentionally
>> painting with one side of
>>> the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy theories, but
>> there's just more bang
>>> for your buck when you report the GI who got
>> killed rather than the 99
>>> who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
>> helped schedule elections,
>>> who helped shops get open for business, who helped
>> traffic flow again.
>>> 
>>> "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy to
>> have us there. I would
>>> like to see a bit more balance." This needs to be
>> reported to the
>>> American Public who are presently being duped. I
>> expect the dominant
>>> media culture to nitpick and attack Bush, and
>> Democrats to blast him
>>> with reckless abandon. But when that leads to the
>> willful exclusion of
>>> facts that would shine truthful light on the great
>> work of the American
>>> armed forces, that level of malice plumbs new
>> depths."
>>> 
>>> If you have a friend that is looking for the
>> truth, pass this on.
>>> 
>>> 
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