Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 5 14:10:02 EDT 2004 

I knew I could count on you Steve. As I suspected your best counter is 
calling me a liberal in spite of my many Republican votes over the past 20 
plus years. At least you didn't bring up fishing.

I made several points and you ignored all but one. Yes they used chemical 
weapons almost 15 years ago. This in no way proves they have them now and 
they were never used against the US. Also Bush claimed they had or were 
working towards nuke ability.  No evidence found to date. What about my 
other points? No terror link unless you know something I don't know. From 
what I gather your main reason for going in was to help the people of Iraq. 
Didn't Bush say he was against "Nation Building"? I know you will not answer 
so I am ready for your response about liberals and fishing.

I am guessing that no conservatives are jumping on your bandwagon because 
you don't provide any facts to agree with, just ranting rhetoric. You try to 
make your case in a manner that most conservatives do not agree with. 
Several have tried to explain that there are many on both sides against the 
way Iraq was handled. Of course you will just call them all liberals and 
cowards regardless of past voting record.

So you think I (or any liberal) haven't done any research, yet you have 
because you watch FOX? LOL    I watch a variety of news including FOX, BBC 
and network. I have also read numerous books on the history and culture of 
Israel and the Middle East in general. My wife lived in Israel during the 
80s and has provided me with a wealth of information regarding the Middle 
East culture.  Clue me in, what is the source of your research other than US 
polls and FOX? Please don’t tell me the answer is Rush!

Wally


>From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera 
>reports
>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Come on Wally, your hassing old new.  No WMD,then what
>did Saldam kill all those poeple with when he used
>chemical weapon on them.  What is this, are there only
>liberals on this list.  Most people, (note based on
>the polls) support the war in Irag.  Its only the loud
>mouth liberals that are complaining so much.  However,
>when you factor in the liberal networks & the fact
>that liberal never reasearch for themselfs, you know
>why they are so misinformed.
>Steve
>
>
>
>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve the Analyst,
> >
> > Have you ever considered that there are
> > conservatives against attacking
> > Iraq? Can you expand your mind to separate issues or
> > do you just lump them
> > all into one? Is it at all possible that we could
> > have achieved better
> > results by some other means than attacking Iraq?
> >
> > So maybe we attacked to fight terror against the US.
> > Oops no link to 911
> > with Iraq (or the Cole, or the blowing up of US
> > Embassies). Well maybe we
> > attacked because they had WMD. Oops no WMD found.
> > Well maybe we attacked to
> > reduce terror globally. Try telling that to Spain.
> > Well maybe we attacked
> > because we wanted to be involved with nation
> > building. Oops didn't W have a
> > big speech saying he was against using our Armed
> > Forces for nation building?
> > You also say we are at war; actually neither side
> > has declared war.
> >
> > Maybe if we hang around a few more years we can cram
> > freedom down their
> > throats. This has worked so well for us in the past.
> > What little good we
> > have achieved in Iraq has not been worth the cost.
> > Try to use your best
> > analytical skills and do a cost analysis of the
> > gains. Look at what we spent
> > and compare it to what we get back in return.
> >
> > Do you have any understanding of the history of the
> > area? Up until this
> > weekend the resistance in Iraq has come from the
> > Sunnis. Even though Saddam
> > was a Sunni they are actually much more "open
> > minded" than the Shiites
> > (sic?). The Shiites are the old school Muslims and
> > true fundamentalist. They
> > only recognize the earliest teachings of the Koran
> > and think that the
> > liberal Sunnis are heathens. Think Iran in the early
> > 80s; it was the Shiites
> > that took over the US Embassy. Now the Shiites are
> > unified enough to start
> > attacks against our forces. The only thing the
> > Shiites and the Sunnis have
> > in common is their hatred of the US. The Kurds don't
> > have much use for us
> > either but they think it is still in their best
> > interest to lay off the US
> > forces. If something comes down that they don't like
> > they will start blowing
> > up our guys as well.
> >
> > I was watching FOX this weekend and was fascinated
> > to hear how the falling
> > dollar is helping to drive up the cost of oil. I was
> > happy to learn that
> > economics classes I took in the 70s still have
> > merit. They discussed how
> > supply and demand and the strength of the dollar
> > have everything to do with
> > the cost of imported goods. I guess you know better
> > huh? I am also guessing
> > you just love FOX news right? LOL
> >
> > I am not sure if the numerous errors in your posts
> > are supposed to just rile
> > the list or if you just don't have a grasp of the
> > facts. I know you will
> > counter with claims that I am liberal and bring up
> > some more nonsense about
> > fishing. Things are a little more complex than that
> > and perhaps beyond your
> > understanding.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail
> > list
> > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > >reports
> > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Stan
> > >If the US does not help people in need; who will???
> > >Saldam was using Chemical weapon on his people.
> > Some
> > >country needed to go in there and clean that mess
> > up.
> > >We went in to Somila for a whole lot less of a
> > reason.
> > >  It's not making them our mold.  Remember, they
> > wrote
> > >thier own Constituation.  Women now have the right
> > to
> > >vote.  Girl are being allowed to go to school.
> > >Surely, these things are something that the
> > liberals
> > >see are a good thing.  I know there is no way to
> > >change the liberal way of thinking.  Like the old
> > >saying goes; give a man a fish-feed him for a day;
> > >teach him to fish-feed him for life.  The bad thing
> > >about this country, to many people are standing in
> > >line all day waiting on someone to give them a
> > fish.
> > >What we are doing in Irag is teaching them to fish.
> >  I
> > >know that the liberal way of thinking will never
> > agree
> > >to this.  But people need to stop thinking about
> > >themselves & realize all the good we are doing for
> > >them.  Yes solider are dieing-It's a war.  BUT THE
> > >GOOD, OUTWEIGHTS THE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > > sorry, I am back in town
> > > >
> > > > Rummy, how did you get so smart?   Webtender,
> > rum
> > > > all around.  And an extra
> > > > round for Wally for reminding us that the USA
> > was
> > > > not put on earth to force
> > > > all other cultures into our mold.  Oh, and water
> > > > Ed's down for asking anyone
> > > > to not bother him by doing their responses to MM
> > off
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > PS: Rhodies, stop picking on Tom.  While we are
> > > > probably at opposite ends of
> > > > the polls (in the booth), he is one of the
> > nicest,
> > > > most experienced Rhodies
> > > > we have and should be encouraged to move beyond
> > his
> > > > nautical contributions.
> > > >
> > > > OK, so I can't stop:  It is crazy to leave the
> > list
> > > > because you don't like
> > > > the political banter.  Reminds  me of my workers
> > > > who, when I attempt to
> > > > cover an area beyond their narrow job, say, I
> > don't
> > > > need to know that.  And
> > > > I say how did you get that big arm muscle and
> > they
> > > > say, by using it.  And I
> > > > suggest they will get the same kind of growing
> > by
> > > > using their head (just
> > > > look how well it has been working for Todd).
> > For
> > > > those who feel they don't
> > > > need the broader growth this list brings, the
> > > > founding fathers did come up
> > > > with the idea of subject titles for the delete
> > > > button.  It is just that I am
> > > > afraid that more and more of the worlds'
> > exploding
> > > > population will be taking
> > > > the "I don't need to know that" approach to what
> > is
> > > > going on in the world -
> > > > until the world comes to a stop.  And they all
> > can
> > > > get off.  .
> > > >
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:01 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > > reports
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > > While one is a member of the military,
> > protesting
> > > > against the war you are
> > > > > fighting is frowned upon. (suggestions of
> > > > dishonorable discharge, prison,
> > > > etc.) I
> > > > > also served in Vietnam, came home and
> > protested
> > > > against the war. We never
> > > > > should have been there in the first place, but
> > I
> > > > did my duty, served my
> > > > country
> > > > > and lived through it. I exercised my
> > > > constitutional right to protest our
> > > > > involvement in Vietnam and so did the majority
> > of
> > > > the people that went
> > > > there. Kerry
> > > > > is not alone in his beliefs. It was the
> > continued
> > > > protests that eventually
> > > > > ended our involvement. I see a day when
> > protests
> > > > against our involvement
> > > > in Iraq
> > > > > may accomplish the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > >
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