Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

Mon Apr 5 18:41:59 EDT 2004

Well, keep on reading Wally; you'll figure it out one
of these days. 
Steve

--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I knew I could count on you Steve. As I suspected
> your best counter is 
> calling me a liberal in spite of my many Republican
> votes over the past 20 
> plus years. At least you didn't bring up fishing.
> 
> I made several points and you ignored all but one.
> Yes they used chemical 
> weapons almost 15 years ago. This in no way proves
> they have them now and 
> they were never used against the US. Also Bush
> claimed they had or were 
> working towards nuke ability.  No evidence found to
> date. What about my 
> other points? No terror link unless you know
> something I don't know. From 
> what I gather your main reason for going in was to
> help the people of Iraq. 
> Didn't Bush say he was against "Nation Building"? I
> know you will not answer 
> so I am ready for your response about liberals and
> fishing.
> 
> I am guessing that no conservatives are jumping on
> your bandwagon because 
> you don't provide any facts to agree with, just
> ranting rhetoric. You try to 
> make your case in a manner that most conservatives
> do not agree with. 
> Several have tried to explain that there are many on
> both sides against the 
> way Iraq was handled. Of course you will just call
> them all liberals and 
> cowards regardless of past voting record.
> 
> So you think I (or any liberal) haven't done any
> research, yet you have 
> because you watch FOX? LOL    I watch a variety of
> news including FOX, BBC 
> and network. I have also read numerous books on the
> history and culture of 
> Israel and the Middle East in general. My wife lived
> in Israel during the 
> 80s and has provided me with a wealth of information
> regarding the Middle 
> East culture.  Clue me in, what is the source of
> your research other than US 
> polls and FOX? Please don’t tell me the answer is
> Rush!
> 
> Wally
> 
> 
> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera 
> >reports
> >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Come on Wally, your hassing old new.  No WMD,then
> what
> >did Saldam kill all those poeple with when he used
> >chemical weapon on them.  What is this, are there
> only
> >liberals on this list.  Most people, (note based on
> >the polls) support the war in Irag.  Its only the
> loud
> >mouth liberals that are complaining so much. 
> However,
> >when you factor in the liberal networks & the fact
> >that liberal never reasearch for themselfs, you
> know
> >why they are so misinformed.
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Steve the Analyst,
> > >
> > > Have you ever considered that there are
> > > conservatives against attacking
> > > Iraq? Can you expand your mind to separate
> issues or
> > > do you just lump them
> > > all into one? Is it at all possible that we
> could
> > > have achieved better
> > > results by some other means than attacking Iraq?
> > >
> > > So maybe we attacked to fight terror against the
> US.
> > > Oops no link to 911
> > > with Iraq (or the Cole, or the blowing up of US
> > > Embassies). Well maybe we
> > > attacked because they had WMD. Oops no WMD
> found.
> > > Well maybe we attacked to
> > > reduce terror globally. Try telling that to
> Spain.
> > > Well maybe we attacked
> > > because we wanted to be involved with nation
> > > building. Oops didn't W have a
> > > big speech saying he was against using our Armed
> > > Forces for nation building?
> > > You also say we are at war; actually neither
> side
> > > has declared war.
> > >
> > > Maybe if we hang around a few more years we can
> cram
> > > freedom down their
> > > throats. This has worked so well for us in the
> past.
> > > What little good we
> > > have achieved in Iraq has not been worth the
> cost.
> > > Try to use your best
> > > analytical skills and do a cost analysis of the
> > > gains. Look at what we spent
> > > and compare it to what we get back in return.
> > >
> > > Do you have any understanding of the history of
> the
> > > area? Up until this
> > > weekend the resistance in Iraq has come from the
> > > Sunnis. Even though Saddam
> > > was a Sunni they are actually much more "open
> > > minded" than the Shiites
> > > (sic?). The Shiites are the old school Muslims
> and
> > > true fundamentalist. They
> > > only recognize the earliest teachings of the
> Koran
> > > and think that the
> > > liberal Sunnis are heathens. Think Iran in the
> early
> > > 80s; it was the Shiites
> > > that took over the US Embassy. Now the Shiites
> are
> > > unified enough to start
> > > attacks against our forces. The only thing the
> > > Shiites and the Sunnis have
> > > in common is their hatred of the US. The Kurds
> don't
> > > have much use for us
> > > either but they think it is still in their best
> > > interest to lay off the US
> > > forces. If something comes down that they don't
> like
> > > they will start blowing
> > > up our guys as well.
> > >
> > > I was watching FOX this weekend and was
> fascinated
> > > to hear how the falling
> > > dollar is helping to drive up the cost of oil. I
> was
> > > happy to learn that
> > > economics classes I took in the 70s still have
> > > merit. They discussed how
> > > supply and demand and the strength of the dollar
> > > have everything to do with
> > > the cost of imported goods. I guess you know
> better
> > > huh? I am also guessing
> > > you just love FOX news right? LOL
> > >
> > > I am not sure if the numerous errors in your
> posts
> > > are supposed to just rile
> > > the list or if you just don't have a grasp of
> the
> > > facts. I know you will
> > > counter with claims that I am liberal and bring
> up
> > > some more nonsense about
> > > fishing. Things are a little more complex than
> that
> > > and perhaps beyond your
> > > understanding.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail
> > > list
> > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > >reports
> > > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Stan
> > > >If the US does not help people in need; who
> will???
> > > >Saldam was using Chemical weapon on his people.
> > > Some
> > > >country needed to go in there and clean that
> mess
> > > up.
> > > >We went in to Somila for a whole lot less of a
> > > reason.
> > > >  It's not making them our mold.  Remember,
> they
> > > wrote
> > > >thier own Constituation.  Women now have the
> right
> > > to
> > > >vote.  Girl are being allowed to go to school.
> > > >Surely, these things are something that the
> > > liberals
> > > >see are a good thing.  I know there is no way
> to
> > > >change the liberal way of thinking.  Like the
> old
> > > >saying goes; give a man a fish-feed him for a
> day;
> > > >teach him to fish-feed him for life.  The bad
> thing
> > > >about this country, to many people are standing
> in
> > > >line all day waiting on someone to give them a
> > > fish.
> > > >What we are doing in Irag is teaching them to
> fish.
> > >  I
> > > >know that the liberal way of thinking will
> never
> > > agree
> > > >to this.  But people need to stop thinking
> about
> > > >themselves & realize all the good we are doing
> for
> > > >them.  Yes solider are dieing-It's a war.  BUT
> THE
> > > >GOOD, OUTWEIGHTS THE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > > > sorry, I am back in town
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy, how did you get so smart?  
> Webtender,
> > > rum
> > > > > all around.  And an extra
> > > > > round for Wally for reminding us that the
> USA
> > > was
> > > > > not put on earth to force
> > > > > all other cultures into our mold.  Oh, and
> water
> > > > > Ed's down for asking anyone
> > > > > to not bother him by doing their responses
> to MM
> > > off
> > > > > list.
> > > > >
> > > > > stan/gbi
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Rhodies, stop picking on Tom.  While we
> are
> > > > > probably at opposite ends of
> > > > > the polls (in the booth), he is one of the
> > > nicest,
> > > > > most experienced Rhodies
> > > > > we have and should be encouraged to move
> beyond
> > > his
> > > > > nautical contributions.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, so I can't stop:  It is crazy to leave
> the
> > > list
> > > > > because you don't like
> > > > > the political banter.  Reminds  me of my
> workers
> > > > > who, when I attempt to
> > > > > cover an area beyond their narrow job, say,
> I
> > > don't
> > > > > need to know that.  And
> > > > > I say how did you get that big arm muscle
> and
> > > they
> > > > > say, by using it.  And I
> > > > > suggest they will get the same kind of
> growing
> > > by
> > > > > using their head (just
> > > > > look how well it has been working for Todd).
> > > For
> > > > > those who feel they don't
> > > > > need the broader growth this list brings,
> the
> > > > > founding fathers did come up
> > > > > with the idea of subject titles for the
> delete
> > > > > button.  It is just that I am
> > > > > afraid that more and more of the worlds'
> > > exploding
> > > > > population will be taking
> > > > > the "I don't need to know that" approach to
> what
> > > is
> > > > > going on in the world -
> > > > > until the world comes to a stop.  And they
> all
> > > can
> > > > > get off.  .
> > > > >
> > > > > stan/gbi
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Apology - was RE:
> [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > > > reports
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > While one is a member of the military,
> > > protesting
> > > > > against the war you are
> > > > > > fighting is frowned upon. (suggestions of
> > > > > dishonorable discharge, prison,
> > > > > etc.) I
> > > > > > also served in Vietnam, came home and
> > > protested
> > > > > against the war. We never
> > > > > > should have been there in the first place,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > did my duty, served my
> > > > > country
> > > > > > and lived through it. I exercised my
> > > > > constitutional right to protest our
> > > > > > involvement in Vietnam and so did the
> majority
> > > of
> > > > > the people that went
> > > > > there. Kerry
> > > > > > is not alone in his beliefs. It was the
> > > continued
> > > > > protests that eventually
> > > > > > ended our involvement. I see a day when
> > > protests
> > > > > against our involvement
> > > > > in Iraq
> > > > > > may accomplish the same thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rummy
> > > > > >
> > >
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