Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

Tue Apr 6 00:29:17 EDT 2004

Just as I suspected, you can't answer pointed questions without a bunch of 
BS. I guess I can rest my case. You are brain dead.

>From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera 
>reports
>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Well, keep on reading Wally; you'll figure it out one
>of these days.
>Steve
>
>
>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I knew I could count on you Steve. As I suspected
> > your best counter is
> > calling me a liberal in spite of my many Republican
> > votes over the past 20
> > plus years. At least you didn't bring up fishing.
> >
> > I made several points and you ignored all but one.
> > Yes they used chemical
> > weapons almost 15 years ago. This in no way proves
> > they have them now and
> > they were never used against the US. Also Bush
> > claimed they had or were
> > working towards nuke ability.  No evidence found to
> > date. What about my
> > other points? No terror link unless you know
> > something I don't know. From
> > what I gather your main reason for going in was to
> > help the people of Iraq.
> > Didn't Bush say he was against "Nation Building"? I
> > know you will not answer
> > so I am ready for your response about liberals and
> > fishing.
> >
> > I am guessing that no conservatives are jumping on
> > your bandwagon because
> > you don't provide any facts to agree with, just
> > ranting rhetoric. You try to
> > make your case in a manner that most conservatives
> > do not agree with.
> > Several have tried to explain that there are many on
> > both sides against the
> > way Iraq was handled. Of course you will just call
> > them all liberals and
> > cowards regardless of past voting record.
> >
> > So you think I (or any liberal) haven't done any
> > research, yet you have
> > because you watch FOX? LOL    I watch a variety of
> > news including FOX, BBC
> > and network. I have also read numerous books on the
> > history and culture of
> > Israel and the Middle East in general. My wife lived
> > in Israel during the
> > 80s and has provided me with a wealth of information
> > regarding the Middle
> > East culture.  Clue me in, what is the source of
> > your research other than US
> > polls and FOX? Please don’t tell me the answer is
> > Rush!
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > >reports
> > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Come on Wally, your hassing old new.  No WMD,then
> > what
> > >did Saldam kill all those poeple with when he used
> > >chemical weapon on them.  What is this, are there
> > only
> > >liberals on this list.  Most people, (note based on
> > >the polls) support the war in Irag.  Its only the
> > loud
> > >mouth liberals that are complaining so much.
> > However,
> > >when you factor in the liberal networks & the fact
> > >that liberal never reasearch for themselfs, you
> > know
> > >why they are so misinformed.
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Steve the Analyst,
> > > >
> > > > Have you ever considered that there are
> > > > conservatives against attacking
> > > > Iraq? Can you expand your mind to separate
> > issues or
> > > > do you just lump them
> > > > all into one? Is it at all possible that we
> > could
> > > > have achieved better
> > > > results by some other means than attacking Iraq?
> > > >
> > > > So maybe we attacked to fight terror against the
> > US.
> > > > Oops no link to 911
> > > > with Iraq (or the Cole, or the blowing up of US
> > > > Embassies). Well maybe we
> > > > attacked because they had WMD. Oops no WMD
> > found.
> > > > Well maybe we attacked to
> > > > reduce terror globally. Try telling that to
> > Spain.
> > > > Well maybe we attacked
> > > > because we wanted to be involved with nation
> > > > building. Oops didn't W have a
> > > > big speech saying he was against using our Armed
> > > > Forces for nation building?
> > > > You also say we are at war; actually neither
> > side
> > > > has declared war.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe if we hang around a few more years we can
> > cram
> > > > freedom down their
> > > > throats. This has worked so well for us in the
> > past.
> > > > What little good we
> > > > have achieved in Iraq has not been worth the
> > cost.
> > > > Try to use your best
> > > > analytical skills and do a cost analysis of the
> > > > gains. Look at what we spent
> > > > and compare it to what we get back in return.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any understanding of the history of
> > the
> > > > area? Up until this
> > > > weekend the resistance in Iraq has come from the
> > > > Sunnis. Even though Saddam
> > > > was a Sunni they are actually much more "open
> > > > minded" than the Shiites
> > > > (sic?). The Shiites are the old school Muslims
> > and
> > > > true fundamentalist. They
> > > > only recognize the earliest teachings of the
> > Koran
> > > > and think that the
> > > > liberal Sunnis are heathens. Think Iran in the
> > early
> > > > 80s; it was the Shiites
> > > > that took over the US Embassy. Now the Shiites
> > are
> > > > unified enough to start
> > > > attacks against our forces. The only thing the
> > > > Shiites and the Sunnis have
> > > > in common is their hatred of the US. The Kurds
> > don't
> > > > have much use for us
> > > > either but they think it is still in their best
> > > > interest to lay off the US
> > > > forces. If something comes down that they don't
> > like
> > > > they will start blowing
> > > > up our guys as well.
> > > >
> > > > I was watching FOX this weekend and was
> > fascinated
> > > > to hear how the falling
> > > > dollar is helping to drive up the cost of oil. I
> > was
> > > > happy to learn that
> > > > economics classes I took in the 70s still have
> > > > merit. They discussed how
> > > > supply and demand and the strength of the dollar
> > > > have everything to do with
> > > > the cost of imported goods. I guess you know
> > better
> > > > huh? I am also guessing
> > > > you just love FOX news right? LOL
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if the numerous errors in your
> > posts
> > > > are supposed to just rile
> > > > the list or if you just don't have a grasp of
> > the
> > > > facts. I know you will
> > > > counter with claims that I am liberal and bring
> > up
> > > > some more nonsense about
> > > > fishing. Things are a little more complex than
> > that
> > > > and perhaps beyond your
> > > > understanding.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail
> > > > list
> > > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > > >reports
> > > > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Stan
> > > > >If the US does not help people in need; who
> > will???
> > > > >Saldam was using Chemical weapon on his people.
> > > > Some
> > > > >country needed to go in there and clean that
> > mess
> > > > up.
> > > > >We went in to Somila for a whole lot less of a
> > > > reason.
> > > > >  It's not making them our mold.  Remember,
> > they
> > > > wrote
> > > > >thier own Constituation.  Women now have the
> > right
> > > > to
> > > > >vote.  Girl are being allowed to go to school.
> > > > >Surely, these things are something that the
> > > > liberals
> > > > >see are a good thing.  I know there is no way
> > to
> > > > >change the liberal way of thinking.  Like the
> > old
> > > > >saying goes; give a man a fish-feed him for a
> > day;
> > > > >teach him to fish-feed him for life.  The bad
> > thing
> > > > >about this country, to many people are standing
> > in
> > > > >line all day waiting on someone to give them a
> > > > fish.
> > > > >What we are doing in Irag is teaching them to
> > fish.
> > > >  I
> > > > >know that the liberal way of thinking will
> > never
> > > > agree
> > > > >to this.  But people need to stop thinking
> > about
> > > > >themselves & realize all the good we are doing
> > for
> > > > >them.  Yes solider are dieing-It's a war.  BUT
> > THE
> > > > >GOOD, OUTWEIGHTS THE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > >Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > > > > sorry, I am back in town
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rummy, how did you get so smart?
> > Webtender,
> > > > rum
> > > > > > all around.  And an extra
> > > > > > round for Wally for reminding us that the
> > USA
> > > > was
> > > > > > not put on earth to force
> > > > > > all other cultures into our mold.  Oh, and
> > water
> > > > > > Ed's down for asking anyone
> > > > > > to not bother him by doing their responses
> > to MM
> > > > off
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stan/gbi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: Rhodies, stop picking on Tom.  While we
> > are
> > > > > > probably at opposite ends of
> > > > > > the polls (in the booth), he is one of the
> > > > nicest,
> > > > > > most experienced Rhodies
> > > > > > we have and should be encouraged to move
> > beyond
> > > > his
> > > > > > nautical contributions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, so I can't stop:  It is crazy to leave
> > the
> > > > list
> > > > > > because you don't like
> > > > > > the political banter.  Reminds  me of my
> > workers
> > > > > > who, when I attempt to
> > > > > > cover an area beyond their narrow job, say,
> > I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > need to know that.  And
> > > > > > I say how did you get that big arm muscle
> > and
> > > > they
> > > > > > say, by using it.  And I
> > > > > > suggest they will get the same kind of
> > growing
> > > > by
> > > > > > using their head (just
> > > > > > look how well it has been working for Todd).
> > > > For
> > > > > > those who feel they don't
> > > > > > need the broader growth this list brings,
> > the
> > > > > > founding fathers did come up
> > > > > > with the idea of subject titles for the
> > delete
> > > > > > button.  It is just that I am
> > > > > > afraid that more and more of the worlds'
> > > > exploding
> > > > > > population will be taking
> > > > > > the "I don't need to know that" approach to
> > what
> > > > is
> > > > > > going on in the world -
> > > > > > until the world comes to a stop.  And they
> > all
> > > > can
> > > > > > get off.  .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stan/gbi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:01 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Apology - was RE:
> > [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > > > > reports
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > > While one is a member of the military,
> > > > protesting
> > > > > > against the war you are
> > > > > > > fighting is frowned upon. (suggestions of
> > > > > > dishonorable discharge, prison,
> > > > > > etc.) I
> > > > > > > also served in Vietnam, came home and
> > > > protested
> > > > > > against the war. We never
> > > > > > > should have been there in the first place,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > did my duty, served my
> > > > > > country
> > > > > > > and lived through it. I exercised my
> > > > > > constitutional right to protest our
> > > > > > > involvement in Vietnam and so did the
> > majority
> > > > of
> > > > > > the people that went
> > > > > > there. Kerry
> > > > > > > is not alone in his beliefs. It was the
> > > > continued
> > > > > > protests that eventually
> > > > > > > ended our involvement. I see a day when
> > > > protests
> > > > > > against our involvement
> > > > > > in Iraq
> > > > > > > may accomplish the same thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rummy
> > > > > > >
> > > >
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