[Rhodes22-list] IMF PHRF and Portsmouth Ratings

Tue Apr 6 00:30:54 EDT 2004

Thanks Peter.... I think :-)

Wally

>From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF PHRF and Portsmouth Ratings
>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:27:50 -0400
>
>Wally and Mark,
>
>The best way to get a nice (high) Portsmouth number for the Rhodes 22,
>either IMF or standard, would be to race a lot and finish very poorly.  So
>Wally, you'll just have to slow down, or you're going to mess it up for the
>rest of us!  :)
>
>US Sailing takes actual racing results and computes Portsmouth numbers by
>comparing the finish times of boats with little data to other boats with
>more data - if that makes any sense.  The Thistle is the benchmark boat, so
>it's number is always 80.0.  Every other boat is subject to change by
>comparing racing results to boats with larger data bases.  The Portsmouth
>Yardstick system assumes all boats are sailed by good sailors - in reality
>not always the case.
>
>A few years ago in our club that sails on the NC/VA border at Kerr Lake,
>some Lightning sailors didn't like the fact that our smaller and slower
>Tanzer 16s consistently beat them in light air.  Our boats were lighter, so
>in the puffs we could out accelerate them and get inside at the marks.  So,
>they sent data to US Sailing and the Tanzer 16 D-PN was actually lowered
>from 100.0 to 97.5!  The fact that our Tanzer 16 fleet was very competitive
>(including 3 past National Champions) and the Lightnings weren't even top
>rated in their district was not considered by US Sailing.  The Portsmouth
>Yardstick isn't perfect, is just all we've got.
>
>My old friend and USSA Regional Race Officer Herb Bodman says it quite
>succinctly, "Handicap racing, compared to one-design, is like kissing your
>sister".
>
>Fair winds,
>
>-PT
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:02 PM
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] IMF PHRF and Portsmouth Ratings
>
>
> > Wally,
> >
> > I've researched this pretty thoroughly (hoping for a better number, too)
>and
> > was unable to find anything.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Wally Buck
> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:42 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] IMF PHRF and Portsmouth Ratings
> >
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Yes our club is using 98, same as the link you sent. I have see this
> > previously but I was thinking this was for standard main. i was hoping 
>to
> > see a rating for IMF.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] IMF PHRF and Portsmouth Ratings
> > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:25:22 -0400
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >Oops! I guess they did - it's in the 2003 list now, too -
> > >http://www.ussailing.org/portsmouth/tables03/tables03off-3.htm
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Wally Buck
> > >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:19 PM
> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] IMF PHRF and Portsmouth Ratings
> > >
> > >
> > >For those who race with IMF (or anyone else) I need some help. When I
>first
> > >started racing in my club they asked me what my PHRF was and I told 
>them
> > >290. Well we had three races that day and I won all three in B fleet.
>They
> > >looked up the PHRF scores in some book and the only rating they could
>find
> > >was 270. I tried to explain that was for standard main and i have IMF 
>but
> > >no
> > >dice. They said prove it. Well I never could find any record of PHRF
>rating
> > >for R22 (or Continental) with IMF so it never got changed.
> > >
> > >This year they changed to Portsmouth to allow for more flexibiltiy in
> > >rating. Portsmouth allows adjustment for sailing solo, wind conditions
>and
> > >so on. Does anyone know of a Portsmouth or PHRF rating listed on line 
>or
>in
> > >a book for the IMF Rhodes.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Interesting stats
> > > >Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:08:53 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Mark,
> > > >
> > > >As I said in an ealier post, it is going to be one long election year
> > >....i
> > > >am going to TRY no to post any more regarding Iraq. It is pointless 
>and
>I
> > > >feel it is getting a little mean spirited.
> > > >
> > > >Wally
> > > >>From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
> > > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Interesting stats
> > > >>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:53:52 -0400
> > > >>
> > > >>All,
> > > >>
> > > >>I just moved all the political email from 1 April through early this
> > > >>afternoon into a separate folder. In the process, I found the
>following:
> > > >>
> > > >> >From 1 April through 2:30 today list has delivered 306 pieces of
> > >email.
> > > >>Of
> > > >>these, 143 were of a political nature, 23 were related to sailing 
>and
> > >the
> > > >>rest were about computers, jokes, and other non-sailing, 
>non-political
> > > >>stuff.
> > > >>
> > > >>By my math, that's just over 8% sailing-related to just under 92%
> > > >>non-sailing related.
> > > >>
> > > >>Mark Kaynor
> > > >>
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