[Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 30 12:32:50 EDT 2004 

Steve,

Of course they broke the law; everyone knows that Americans can't trade or 
visit with Cuba. Duh!!! The big picture contains more than what is good for 
the US, the big picture includes what is good for Cuba.

The issue is do the local Cubans benefit or suffer from visits from US 
tourists? I know one couple that has been to Cuba three times and they spend 
a bunch of cash that goes right into the pockets of the locals. The local 
Cubans surely are thinking of their own bests interest and they want the 
embargo lifted. I guess you know what is better for the Cubans than they do 
huh? I guess part of being a "superpower" is knowing what is best for every 
other country in the world?

Thankfully you are wrong! We are free to leave our borders with very few 
exceptions. One could even visit the USSR during the Cold War. Travel can be 
restricted to protect our National Security and travel restrictions have 
been passed by Congress. These restrictions should be linked to our National 
Security.  At one time the embargo with Cuba was most likely a good idea. 
That time has clearly passed.

Wally


>From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Wally
>Your friends broke the law.  The government does &
>always have had the right to tell you what countries
>you can visit.  BTW: Our country is at war. The reason
>you can't see how it hurts is your thinking of only
>your own seft interests; not the big picture.  Try to
>think of it like this; our great country has liberated
>2 terrorist country.  However, we have a dictator
>right in our own back yard.  This country needs to do
>MORE to correct that & liberate those people also.
>Remember, it you go there, you are a tourist but these
>supprest people don't have the freedoms that you have.
>  The big pictures is to do all we can do so that these
>suppresed Cubans can experience the same freedom that
>we have.  That will never happen if Americans prop up
>the Cuban Dictator.  The cubans will still suffer &
>only Castro will benefit from it.
>Steve
>
>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> > The big picture is our governement should not have
> > the right to tell us what
> > countries we can visit. I can see exceptions in
> > times of war but this isn't
> > the case with Cuba. Many think that the people of
> > Cuba would be better off
> > if we eased some of the restrictions. I  can't see
> > how it would hurt. I
> > myself have a few friends that have traveled to Cuba
> > on scuba/sailing trips.
> > It is an amazing country and the locals were quite
> > eager to do business. Our
> > trade embargos hurt the common man in Cuba much more
> > than it does Castro.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Todd
> > >Your not seeing the big picture.  Your putting your
> > >own self interest before the country.  Yes,
> > sometime
> > >this country has to tolerate these situation but
> > there
> > >is always a good reason.  I have said that in a
> > >preivous e-mail.  Another previous quote, "But on
> > the
> > >whole or as the basic rule, we should not support
> > >them".  There is simple no reason for Americans to
> > be
> > >going to Cuba or to be planning to go to Cuba.
> > These
> > >type of situation take the focus of our Coast Guard
> > >off of it real duty to chase down spoiled
> > Americans.
> > >Here is a quote for you, "Ask not what your country
> > >can do for you but what you can do for your
> > country".
> > >In this situation, a good thing you can do for your
> > >country is not initiate a situation that our Coast
> > >Guard would have to intervien in such as trying or
> > >planing on going to Cuba.  There is just no point
> > in
> > >it when our country is at war and our Coast Guard
> > has
> > >other priorities.
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >--- Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> > > > Steve,
> > > >
> > > >     But if Castro had wealth or oil to spread
> > around
> > > > here in the U.S. like say....the Royal family in
> > > > Saudi Arabia... then he would also be welcomed
> > with
> > > > open arms??  Give me a freaking break. The
> > United
> > > > States supports dictators when it benefits the
> > > > United States.  Castro is too proud and defiant
> > to
> > > > bend over and kiss America's ass.  Bush is just
> > > > pulling election year politics (which he learned
> > > > from watching Clinton and his spindoctors do for
> > > > years)under the guise of Homeland security.  He
> > > > needs as many votes in Florida as he can get.
> > Jeb
> > > > can't help him this go'round.
> > > >
> > > >    Castro is not interested in the overthrow of
> > the
> > > > US government or conducting or for that matter,
> > even
> > > > supporting terrorism against us. Our beef with
> > > > Castro has more to do with human rights abuses
> > than
> > > > anything else. If Cuba had any natural resources
> > to
> > > > exploit, or anything of value to offer besides
> > > > cigars or perhaps, cheap labor, U.S. big
> > business
> > > > would be down there setting shop
> > > > tomorrow...socialist republic or not. You can
> > bet
> > > > your boy Bush would see to that.
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > >
> > > > > Slim
> > > > > A country as great as our does not need to be
> > > > > supporting Dictators. Especialy Not with our
> > > > money.
> > > > > Certain situations require this country to
> > > > tolerate
> > > > > certain things from some contries. But on the
> > > > whole or
> > > > > as the basic rule, we should not support them.
> > The
> > > > > cubans are ruled by a dictator and until that
> > > > changes;
> > > > > should be cut off from the free world.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > Hello?  We're not at war with Cuba.  Bush is
> > now
> > > > > > calling Cuba a terrorist
> > > > > > state.  Baloney!  Have you ever heard of a
> > Cuban
> > > > > > terrorist?  The Bay of Pigs
> > > > > > was 42 years ago and the Cold War is over.
> > > > Who's
> > > > > > afraid of Castro at this
> > > > > > point?  He's no threat, he has no powerful
> > > > allies
> > > > > > and he has no money.
> > > > > > What's he gonna do?  Load up a bunch of his
> > '53
> > > > > > Chevys and invade Key West?
> > > > > > Conga drums don't make very good cannons.
> > This
> > > > new
> > > > > > law is a heavy-handed,
> > > > > > jack-booted piece of fascist politicking
> > that
> > > > strips
> > > > > > Americans of their
> > > > > > civil rights.  And he's just doing it for
> > the
> > > > damn
> > > > > > votes of those who came
> > > > > > to this country to escape that very thing.
> > > > > > Slim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/28/04 9:23 AM, "Steve"
> > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > Something that needs to be factor in is
> > that
> > > > our
> > > > > > Coast
> > > > > > > Guard should not have to be running
> > Americans
> > > > down
> > > > > > > after they go to Cuba.  The Coast Guard
> > needs
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > guarding our US coasts.  This law should
> > help
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Coast Guard by getting people that are
> > willing
> > > > to
> > > > > > > break existing laws regarding Cuba by
> > allowing
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Coast Guard to go ahead & throw them in
> > jail
> > > > > > without
> > > > > > > having to chase them down after they break
> > the
> > > > > > law.
> > > > > > > Its one of these things that citizen have
> > to
> > > > > > endure
> > > > > > > when our country is at WAR.
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Steve,
> > > > > > >> You misunderstood.  I'm not saying I
> > support
> > > > > > Castro.
> > > > > > >>  I'm saying Bush is a
> > > > > > >> fascist for passing this law.  You don't
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >> tried or found guilty of
> > > > > > >> anything or even probable cause
> > needed--just
> > > > > > >> suspected of going to Cuba--to
> > > > > > >> lose your boat.  Whatever happened to
> > > > innocent
> > > > > > until
> > > > > > >> proven guilty?  Yes, of
> > > > > > >> course he's trying to court the
> > anti-Castro
> > > > > > >> Cuban-Americans that live in
> > > > > > >> Florida, but that doesn't give him the
> > right
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> trash the Constitution!!!
> > > > > > >> If I were to be overheard just talking
> > about
> > > > my
> > > > > > love
> > > > > > >> of cigars and Salsa
> > > > > > >> dancing--BAM!--the Bush Nazis could
> > > > commandeer my
> > > > > > >> beloved Fandango for no
> > > > > > >> reason at all, and you seem to think
> > that's
> > > > OK?
> > > > > > >> Wake up and smell the storm
> > > > > > >> troopers!!!!!
> > > > > > >> Slim
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On 4/27/04 7:38 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Slim
> > > > > > >>> I read that article.  Why would you want
> > to
> > > > go
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> Cuba
> > > > > > >>> and support a Dictator??????????????
> > > > Spending
> > > > > > >> money
> > > > > > >>> there has always been Illegal.  All Bush
> > is
> > > > > > doing
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >>> putting a stop to people going there.
> > If
> > > > you
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > >>> planning on going there, spending money
> > > > there,
> > > > > > >>> basically showing that you support a
> > > > dictator
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > >>> kept his country in poverty; you have
> > > > nothing to
> > > > > > >> worry
> > > > > > >>> about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It come down to who
> > you
> > > > > > >> support -
> > > > > > >>> America & Freedom ----- or Dictators &
> > > > > > >> suppression!
> > > > > > >>> Steve
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> The May issue of Cruising World reports
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > >> law
> > > > > > >>>> passed by George W.
> > > > > > >>>> Pinhead whereas the govt. can board,
> > > > inspect,
> > > > > > >> search
> > > > > > >>>> and/or commandeer ANY
> > > > > > >>>> boat at ANY time in American waters if
> > they
> > > > > > >> merely
> > > > > > >>>> suspect that boat might
> > > > > > >>>> be going to or from Cuba, which is now
> > > > defined
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > >>>> terrorist state.  It
> > > > > > >>>> doesn't sound like they need any proof
> > or
> > > > > > >> probably
> > > > > > >>>> cause.  The way I read
> > > > > > >>>> it, the govt. has been given Carte
> > Blanche
> > > > over
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>>> above any
> > > > > > >>>> right-to-privacy issues.  If anyone has
> > any
> > > > > > doubt
> > > > > > >>>> that this administration
> > > > > > >>>> has trampled the Constitution and
> > become a
> > > > > > >> Fascist
> > > > > > >>>> regime, one need look no
> > > > > > >>>> further than this!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Slim
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
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