[Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked

Steve rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 30 12:29:49 EDT 2004 

Wally
Do you know that in some part of Africa that you can
still buy slaves???????  But just because you can;
does that make it right.  Of course not.  

Going to Cuba and spending money is against the law. 
It prop up Castro & does not benefit the people on the
whole.  Yes, the few people that got your friends
money may have benefit in the short haul; BUT not in
the LONG HAUL.  Not by any means!!!!!!!!
Steve


--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Of course they broke the law; everyone knows that
> Americans can't trade or 
> visit with Cuba. Duh!!! The big picture contains
> more than what is good for 
> the US, the big picture includes what is good for
> Cuba.
> 
> The issue is do the local Cubans benefit or suffer
> from visits from US 
> tourists? I know one couple that has been to Cuba
> three times and they spend 
> a bunch of cash that goes right into the pockets of
> the locals. The local 
> Cubans surely are thinking of their own bests
> interest and they want the 
> embargo lifted. I guess you know what is better for
> the Cubans than they do 
> huh? I guess part of being a "superpower" is knowing
> what is best for every 
> other country in the world?
> 
> Thankfully you are wrong! We are free to leave our
> borders with very few 
> exceptions. One could even visit the USSR during the
> Cold War. Travel can be 
> restricted to protect our National Security and
> travel restrictions have 
> been passed by Congress. These restrictions should
> be linked to our National 
> Security.  At one time the embargo with Cuba was
> most likely a good idea. 
> That time has clearly passed.
> 
> Wally
> 
> 
> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Wally
> >Your friends broke the law.  The government does &
> >always have had the right to tell you what
> countries
> >you can visit.  BTW: Our country is at war. The
> reason
> >you can't see how it hurts is your thinking of only
> >your own seft interests; not the big picture.  Try
> to
> >think of it like this; our great country has
> liberated
> >2 terrorist country.  However, we have a dictator
> >right in our own back yard.  This country needs to
> do
> >MORE to correct that & liberate those people also.
> >Remember, it you go there, you are a tourist but
> these
> >supprest people don't have the freedoms that you
> have.
> >  The big pictures is to do all we can do so that
> these
> >suppresed Cubans can experience the same freedom
> that
> >we have.  That will never happen if Americans prop
> up
> >the Cuban Dictator.  The cubans will still suffer &
> >only Castro will benefit from it.
> >Steve
> >
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > The big picture is our governement should not
> have
> > > the right to tell us what
> > > countries we can visit. I can see exceptions in
> > > times of war but this isn't
> > > the case with Cuba. Many think that the people
> of
> > > Cuba would be better off
> > > if we eased some of the restrictions. I  can't
> see
> > > how it would hurt. I
> > > myself have a few friends that have traveled to
> Cuba
> > > on scuba/sailing trips.
> > > It is an amazing country and the locals were
> quite
> > > eager to do business. Our
> > > trade embargos hurt the common man in Cuba much
> more
> > > than it does Castro.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Todd
> > > >Your not seeing the big picture.  Your putting
> your
> > > >own self interest before the country.  Yes,
> > > sometime
> > > >this country has to tolerate these situation
> but
> > > there
> > > >is always a good reason.  I have said that in a
> > > >preivous e-mail.  Another previous quote, "But
> on
> > > the
> > > >whole or as the basic rule, we should not
> support
> > > >them".  There is simple no reason for Americans
> to
> > > be
> > > >going to Cuba or to be planning to go to Cuba.
> > > These
> > > >type of situation take the focus of our Coast
> Guard
> > > >off of it real duty to chase down spoiled
> > > Americans.
> > > >Here is a quote for you, "Ask not what your
> country
> > > >can do for you but what you can do for your
> > > country".
> > > >In this situation, a good thing you can do for
> your
> > > >country is not initiate a situation that our
> Coast
> > > >Guard would have to intervien in such as trying
> or
> > > >planing on going to Cuba.  There is just no
> point
> > > in
> > > >it when our country is at war and our Coast
> Guard
> > > has
> > > >other priorities.
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >--- Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > >
> > > > >     But if Castro had wealth or oil to
> spread
> > > around
> > > > > here in the U.S. like say....the Royal
> family in
> > > > > Saudi Arabia... then he would also be
> welcomed
> > > with
> > > > > open arms??  Give me a freaking break. The
> > > United
> > > > > States supports dictators when it benefits
> the
> > > > > United States.  Castro is too proud and
> defiant
> > > to
> > > > > bend over and kiss America's ass.  Bush is
> just
> > > > > pulling election year politics (which he
> learned
> > > > > from watching Clinton and his spindoctors do
> for
> > > > > years)under the guise of Homeland security. 
> He
> > > > > needs as many votes in Florida as he can
> get.
> > > Jeb
> > > > > can't help him this go'round.
> > > > >
> > > > >    Castro is not interested in the overthrow
> of
> > > the
> > > > > US government or conducting or for that
> matter,
> > > even
> > > > > supporting terrorism against us. Our beef
> with
> > > > > Castro has more to do with human rights
> abuses
> > > than
> > > > > anything else. If Cuba had any natural
> resources
> > > to
> > > > > exploit, or anything of value to offer
> besides
> > > > > cigars or perhaps, cheap labor, U.S. big
> > > business
> > > > > would be down there setting shop
> > > > > tomorrow...socialist republic or not. You
> can
> > > bet
> > > > > your boy Bush would see to that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > >
> > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > A country as great as our does not need to
> be
> > > > > > supporting Dictators. Especialy Not with
> our
> > > > > money.
> > > > > > Certain situations require this country to
> > > > > tolerate
> > > > > > certain things from some contries. But on
> the
> > > > > whole or
> > > > > > as the basic rule, we should not support
> them.
> > > The
> > > > > > cubans are ruled by a dictator and until
> that
> > > > > changes;
> > > > > > should be cut off from the free world.
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > > Hello?  We're not at war with Cuba. 
> Bush is
> > > now
> > > > > > > calling Cuba a terrorist
> > > > > > > state.  Baloney!  Have you ever heard of
> a
> > > Cuban
> > > > > > > terrorist?  The Bay of Pigs
> > > > > > > was 42 years ago and the Cold War is
> over.
> > > > > Who's
> > > > > > > afraid of Castro at this
> > > > > > > point?  He's no threat, he has no
> powerful
> > > > > allies
> > > > > > > and he has no money.
> > > > > > > What's he gonna do?  Load up a bunch of
> his
> > > '53
> > > > > > > Chevys and invade Key West?
> > > > > > > Conga drums don't make very good
> cannons.
> > > This
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > law is a heavy-handed,
> > > > > > > jack-booted piece of fascist politicking
> > > that
> > > > > strips
> > > > > > > Americans of their
> > > > > > > civil rights.  And he's just doing it
> for
> > > the
> > > > > damn
> > > > > > > votes of those who came
> > > > > > > to this country to escape that very
> thing.
> > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/28/04 9:23 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > Something that needs to be factor in
> is
> > > that
> > > > > our
> > > > > > > Coast
> > > > > > > > Guard should not have to be running
> > > Americans
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > > after they go to Cuba.  The Coast
> Guard
> > > needs
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > guarding our US coasts.  This law
> should
> > > help
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Coast Guard by getting people that are
> > > willing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > break existing laws regarding Cuba by
> > > allowing
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Coast Guard to go ahead & throw them
> in
> > > jail
> > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > having to chase them down after they
> break
> > > the
> > > > > > > law.
> > > > > > > > Its one of these things that citizen
> have
> > > to
> > > > > > > endure
> > > > > > > > when our country is at WAR.
> > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Steve,
> > > > > > > >> You misunderstood.  I'm not saying I
> > > support
> > > > > > > Castro.
> > > > > > > >>  I'm saying Bush is a
> > > > > > > >> fascist for passing this law.  You
> don't
> > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > >> tried or found guilty of
> > > > > > > >> anything or even probable cause
> > > needed--just
> > > > > > > >> suspected of going to Cuba--to
> > > > > > > >> lose your boat.  Whatever happened to
> > > > > innocent
> > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > >> proven guilty?  Yes, of
> > > > > > > >> course he's trying to court the
> > > anti-Castro
> > > > > > > >> Cuban-Americans that live in
> > > > > > > >> Florida, but that doesn't give him
> the
> > > right
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> trash the Constitution!!!
> > > > > > > >> If I were to be overheard just
> talking
> > > about
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > love
> > > > > > > >> of cigars and Salsa
> > > > > > > >> dancing--BAM!--the Bush Nazis could
> > > > > commandeer my
> > > > > > > >> beloved Fandango for no
> > > > > > > >> reason at all, and you seem to think
> > > that's
> > > > > OK?
> > > > > > > >> Wake up and smell the storm
> > > > > > > >> troopers!!!!!
> > > > > > > >> Slim
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On 4/27/04 7:38 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> Slim
> > > > > > > >>> I read that article.  Why would you
> want
> > > to
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> Cuba
> > > > > > > >>> and support a Dictator??????????????
> > > > > Spending
> > > > > > > >> money
> > > > > > > >>> there has always been Illegal.  All
> Bush
> > > is
> > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > >>> putting a stop to people going
> there.
> > > If
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > > >>> planning on going there, spending
> money
> > > > > there,
> > > > > > > >>> basically showing that you support a
> > > > > dictator
> > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > > >>> kept his country in poverty; you
> have
> > > > > nothing to
> > > > > > > >> worry
> > > > > > > >>> about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It come down to
> who
> > > you
> > > > > > > >> support -
> > > > > > > >>> America & Freedom ----- or Dictators
> &
> > > > > > > >> suppression!
> > > > > > > >>> Steve
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> The May issue of Cruising World
> reports
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> law
> > > > > > > >>>> passed by George W.
> > > > > > > >>>> Pinhead whereas the govt. can
> board,
> > > > > inspect,
> > > > > > > >> search
> > > > > > > >>>> and/or commandeer ANY
> > > > > > > >>>> boat at ANY time in American waters
> if
> > > they
> > > > > > > >> merely
> > > > > > > >>>> suspect that boat might
> > > > > > > >>>> be going to or from Cuba, which is
> now
> > > > > defined
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > > >>>> terrorist state.  It
> > > > > > > >>>> doesn't sound like they need any
> proof
> > > or
> > > > > > > >> probably
> > > > > > > >>>> cause.  The way I read
> > > > > > > >>>> it, the govt. has been given Carte
> > > Blanche
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >>>> above any
> > > > > > > >>>> right-to-privacy issues.  If anyone
> has
> > > any
> > > > > > > doubt
> > > > > > > >>>> that this administration
> > > > > > > >>>> has trampled the Constitution and
> > > become a
> > > > > > > >> Fascist
> > > > > > > >>>> regime, one need look no
> > > > > > > >>>> further than this!
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Slim
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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