[Rhodes22-list] Firm Price

Thu Dec 2 15:08:09 EST 2004

Bill,
     Thanks.  I never thought of it that way.  Here is what I replied to Ed 
K.  ". . .[My wife is]. . . partial
to a new boat.  The trailerable is ideal for us right now since we can only
use it when we are off work and Virginia leaves us very seasonal sailing,
though with a trailer we could pull it somewhere warm.
     I am currently recalled to active duty and don't know how long that
will last, but we would probably place an order and downpayment when I am
released sometime within the next year.  To be fair to Stan, he has given me
a price range, but it is quite a broad sweep and to research financing I am
trying to narrow it down a bit."
   But I see your point about putting it together and going from there.  I 
fell in love with this boat at the boatshow and I haven't seen anything I 
like as much since (in this class).  Do any banks finance or should I look 
at specific Marine finance companies like you see at the boat shows and 
on-line?

Thanks again,

Philip E.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:00 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Firm Price

> You don't really want a firm price.  Stan wants you to have as much boat 
> as you can possibly afford, and will start throwing things in if you don't 
> pester.
>
> Go in the other direction.  Decide what is the absolute most you can pay, 
> and get from the bank.  Then work with Stan to stay within that budget. 
> The boat will be worth more than the bank needs it to be worth.
>
> There are 200 people on this list who will tell you, you won't be 
> disappointed with what you get.  If this is the boat you want, get one 
> with the most unique features you want, that you can afford.  A recycled 
> hull with rebuilt or brand new parts (your choice) and every option you 
> want, is better than a brand new boat, if buying brand new means you must 
> give up options you want. The hulls have been very well made for the past 
> 25 years.  If Stan says the hull is good, the hull is good.
>
> I bought my boat brand new in 1998.  I plan to recycle my own boat this 
> year to get options that were not available or that I did not select the 
> first time around.  I could sell my boat (they retain their value very 
> well--used boats have sold for more than you will probably pay for your 
> new boat) and get a brand spanking new boat.  But I wouldn't even consider 
> it.  My 1998 hull is in perfect condition.  At the end of the day I will 
> have exactly what I want, at a price I am more than willing to pay.
>
> You will, too.  Pick the number first.  Then work with Stan to get the 
> most out of that number that you possibly can.  Be fair with Stan, and he 
> will be fair with you.
>
> It's an old-fashioned way of doing business, but it sure is sweet.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> pestyone57 wrote:
>
>>To answer your question,
>>
>>The kidneys serve two major functions: they keep the salt content of the 
>>blood constant, and they filter waste out of the bloodstream. So, the main 
>>components of urine are (salt) water and waste products. The major waste 
>>product from cells in the body is ammonia, and the major waste product 
>>from blood is a broken form of heme called bilirubin. In the liver, each 
>>of these is converted into a less hazardous form: ammonia is converted to 
>>urea, and bilirubin is degraded to urobilins. Salt, water, and urea are 
>>all colorless, but urobilins (which come from degraded pigments) are 
>>yellow. So, if you drink a lot, your urine will be more dilute and 
>>clearer, and if you get dehydrated, your urine will contain less water and 
>>be darker yellow - Information from MadSci Network
>>
>>So urine should freeze at a slightly lower temperature than water, and in 
>>the holding tank might take even longer depending on the amount of 
>>bacteria in the tank (bacterial action should increase the temperature of 
>>the tank).
>>
>>My wife and I are looking into buying a New or Recycled Rhodes 22.  I saw 
>>and had a "test-drive" at the St. Petersburg, Fl boat show while I was 
>>stationed at USCENTCOM (I am an activated reservist).  Since we will have 
>>to finance the lion's share of the cost, I wanted to investigate financing 
>>but when I e-mail Stan about prices, I receive nebulous answers.  How do I 
>>go about getting a firm price to present to the bank?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Philip and Deena Esteban
>>Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:40 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing - Highly Technical Question
>>
>>
>>
>>>Rummy,
>>>
>>>Actually, it needs pumped out anyway.  On warm days it
>>>is starting to smell like the bar I stop at on the way
>>>home from the lake.  I've been adding a quart of "blue
>>>stuff" from WalMart about once a month but after last
>>>Spring's cruise with 5 college seniors it has about
>>>met the limit of better living through chemistry.
>>>
>>>We seldom get several sub 32 degree days here but
>>>about once a year we get an ice-storm and about every
>>>5 years it knocks power out in parts of the state. December is pretty 
>>>booked for me but I plan to do some
>>>January sailing on the 40 degree plus days, which
>>>there should be many.
>>>
>>>My best friend of thirty years started driving down
>>>from Southern Illinois and spending weekends on the
>>>boat.  He liked the area so much we started looking
>>>for real-estate together.  Last week we bought a 1900
>>>square foot commercial shop building on 2 acres about
>>>five minutes from the boat.  He may build an apartment
>>>in it or just put a mobile home on the property. Either way, next season 
>>>we should have a place to stay
>>>for extended periods.  Since we have plenty of room
>>>for work and storage we will probably start shopping
>>>for a project boat.  I'd like to find an old run-about
>>>with a small block V-8 that we can rebuild. Let me
>>>know if you run across anything that looks
>>>interesting.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>--- R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brad,
>>>>I assume you are talking about a holding tank.
>>>>Generally speaking, the  biological action and the warmth generated from 
>>>>the
>>>>heat still in the lake will  prevent it from freezing. I would think you 
>>>>would
>>>>require many sub 32 degree  days to get it cold enough to freeze hard.
>>>>I have a porta-potti on Rum Runner and never worry
>>>>about it or the water  tank freezing as long as the boat is in the 
>>>>water.
>>>>You are a little further  north than I am, so pumping it out beats 
>>>>replacing
>>>>it in the spring. :)
>>>> Rummy
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