[Rhodes22-list] Michael's Option List for Seaward 26RK

Tue Feb 3 22:45:58 EST 2004

some of it not on the option list, more like the punch list, the boat is young and needs to grow up :-)

They miss proped the boat, even more so on the 18hp, their not enough clearance to swing the right prop, has to be dealt with.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William P. Barry, III" <wp.barry at att.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael's Option List for Seaward 26RK

> interesting. Went down the Seward options list and think came up with all
> but 3?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael's Option List for Seaward 26RK
> 
> 
> > here the list but a work in progress, maybe I should have the michael
> meltzer version, might be able to save a buck ordering in bulk
> > :-)
> > MJM
> >
> >
> > the way I am thinking now:
> > 1)tiller, the wheel dose nothing for me other than take up room, but real
> issue where to put the auto-pilot
> > 2)18 diesel, like freshwater cooled, I be able to run with antifreeze. hot
> water would be good
> > 3)need a 15x11 maybe 15x12 prop, not enough clearance
> > 4)10 inch cleats in back
> > 5)10 spring line cleats with chocks
> > 6)Anderson st12 selftailing winches and real size winch cleats
> > 7)1/2 inch sheets
> > 8) double reef main with double single line reefing lead back to cockpit,
> rope clutch
> > 9)rear rail with seats
> > 10)stainless steel port(hate leaks)
> > 11)not sure what to do with the life lines but not what they got, to short
> and they will leak in the long run.
> > 12)teak head door system(opening out), lavvac head, 20 gallon holding,
> pumpout and overboard.
> > 13)alcohol stove
> > 14)135% jib on a fuller, lead to cockpit
> > 15)need a boom vang
> > 16)hand bilge pump(waler) in the cockpit
> > 17)small beigle pump(500) and 4000 ghp backup
> > 18)fixed VHF with masthead antenna
> > 19)Ray St60 tridata
> > 20) 2 buckhead compasss, one one each side.
> >
> > Thinking :-)
> >
> > add backstay with a "Y" and tensioner.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William P. Barry, III" <wp.barry at att.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael's Option List for Seaward 26RK
> >
> >
> > > I think i'm missing something....what options list did you make?
> Wouldn't
> > > hurt to get ideas for Bulldog III, now that we saw some dream stuff that
> we
> > > shoulda done on BulldogII.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael's Option List for Seaward 26RK
> > >
> > >
> > > > thanks.
> > > >
> > > > MJM
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Robert Quinn" <rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:01 AM
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Michael's Option List for Seaward 26RK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Michael:  Your "options list" would indeed make the vessel a "top
> ender"
> > > and
> > > > > I would probably choose most of them myself.  The larger cleats - a
> > > must.
> > > > > The stainless ports really would make her "shine."  The instruments
> > > would be
> > > > > a necessity depending on where and how you plan to sail.  Prop
> choices
> > > are
> > > > > always an "issue" but I can see advantages to your potential
> choices.
> > > The
> > > > > stove would be a necessity.  I like your "head" choice.  The doors
> for
> > > the
> > > > > Vee berth and the head would be an improvement.  May have an issue
> with
> > > the
> > > > > solid door for the head as room is a premium - not enough room
> inside
> > > and
> > > > > the steps covering the motor would prevent opening out.  The folding
> > > door
> > > > > was okay - may challenge your children for a bit but when they
> really
> > > need
> > > > > the privacy, they would be able to handle it.   Shower option would
> be a
> > > > > must!  Would opt for both an interior shower in the head (wet head)
> for
> > > > > cooler times and a cockpit shower for better times.
> > > > >
> > > > > An upgrade to the cushions would be a must.  Reefing options you
> desire
> > > are
> > > > > sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > Going out a distance dictates the mast head mounted antenna for the
> VHF
> > > and
> > > > > I would add a GPS.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Think" I would add a second back stay.  Probably not a necessity
> but I
> > > > > would be more comfortable with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope I hit the high points.  We looked the boat over thoroughly (as
> we
> > > > > cleaned her up {:>).  She is well built and would make most sailors
> very
> > > > > happy captains.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are still stuck on loving the Rhodes for when we give up the
> Tartan
> > > 37.
> > > > >
> > > > > Both boats - Rhodes and Seaward - drew considerable interest at the
> show
> > > and
> > > > > thus Stan and Elton (you too Rose) should be happy campers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bulb Keel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You are a good man, I heard a weather report that put the temp
> at -5
> > > with
> > > > > a wind-chill to -35, something about record breaking for
> > > > > > the coldest week, for a person who live in FA, that was far beyond
> the
> > > > > call of duty. My Compliments. Also thankyou, I do not think
> > > > > > eltion could have pulled it off without you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now thats is over with :-) what did think of my option list for
> the 26
> > > and
> > > > > thier might be some people looking for a daysail in FA if
> > > > > > they are not already hooked up :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MJM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Robert Quinn" <rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
> > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bulb Keel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > MJM et al:  Michael's summary pretty much tells the story.  When
> > > Elton
> > > > > > > finally arrived he managed to have the boat moved into position
> > > early on
> > > > > > > Friday morning.  We spent the day scrubbing and cleaning up the
> road
> > > > > > > dirt/snow/ice/etc.  She cleaned up well and showed her stuff.
> We
> > > raised
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > mast and hanked on the sails Saturday morning just before the
> show
> > > > > opened.
> > > > > > > The boat was the hit of the show with the story bouncing around
> the
> > > hall
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Elton's story board with the pictures of the boat off the
> trailer
> > > and
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > hoisted back on to the trailer  The trailer looked pretty good
> still
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > minor alignments necessary.  The van lost a running board and
> the
> > > rear
> > > > > > > bumper is twisted to the point of only being able to open one
> door
> > > plus
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > fuse panel was fried, giving Elton a new career in "jury rigging
> a
> > > > > wiring
> > > > > > > system."  The boat, on the other hand, faired very well.  The
> rudder
> > > > > broke,
> > > > > > > the rudder stock held  with some minor bends at the attachment
> > > points-
> > > > > > > stainless is great, the mast crutch is bent, the prop shaft is
> out
> > > of
> > > > > > > alignment and one end of the prop is bent.  The bulb is indeed
> > > missing
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > action but, let me tell you if you were really interested in a
> solid
> > > > > > > sailboat along the lines of  a 26 footer, the result of the
> mishap
> > > would
> > > > > > > clearly send you in the direction of the Seaward 26RK.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A friend of Elton's got the R22 to us on Wednesday about 4:30PM.
> > > Kathy
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > I cleaned and cleaned and cleaned some more.  We were "run off"
> > > around
> > > > > 9:45
> > > > > > > but we had managed to dig the snow out of the cockpit, spit
> shine
> > > the
> > > > > hull,
> > > > > > > and set up the rigging for a "manual lift" (the crank assembly
> was
> > > in
> > > > > > > Elton's van along with several critical clevis pins which he
> stores
> > > in
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > secret spot ((his pocket)).  Late Wednesday night and early
> Thursday
> > > > > morning
> > > > > > > we rounded up pins from two of Elton's buddies and got the
> rigging
> > > ready
> > > > > > > Borrowed the two friends, plus one, to "step the mast."  Set up
> the
> > > > > stairs,
> > > > > > > cleaned up the deck and cockpit, hung the "Rhodes 22" pendants,
> etc,
> > > etc
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > were ready for customers by opening time at 11.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kathy and I got home a few hours ago - exhausted but safe.
> Looks
> > > like a
> > > > > > > good show for GB!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We had breakfast with Elton this morning before launching for
> the
> > > > > airport.
> > > > > > > He is in good spirits, smile on his face, and looking forward to
> new
> > > > > > > adventures!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A sincere thanks to the Chicago area "Rhodies" who showed up to
> > > cheer us
> > > > > on.
> > > > > > > We had a great dinner with everyone on Saturday night.  A
> wonderful
> > > > > group of
> > > > > > > people!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:33 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bulb Keel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > here the story as I know it and I do not know if I have all
> the
> > > > > details,
> > > > > > > got it from some quickly phone calls.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1)Monday night/Tuesday mooring, Eltion was moving boat north
> for
> > > the
> > > > > boat
> > > > > > > show, the seaward26 in this case. remember he needs to
> > > > > > > > take two boats to Chicago(the rhodes22 was already
> propositioned
> > > 60
> > > > > miles
> > > > > > > from the show), The "working under time pruesser" is what
> > > > > > > > got him, at least in my option, A bad thing to do with
> sailboats
> > > :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2)That was the night of the storm, about 120 miles north of
> the
> > > plant
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > 295, going 50 mph(claims everyone was passing him). road
> > > > > > > > were dry, so into a turn near a exit ramp and hits black
> ice(My
> > > option
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > drove into the frezing rain part of the storm but that
> > > > > > > > 20/20 hind sight, 120 miles south on the coast the road might
> have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > fine when he left the plant, my option.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3)jackknife, boat trailer/van go spinning, his van loose the
> > > running
> > > > > > > board, trailer looks like it smashed into the side of the van,
> > > > > > > > trailer very bent up, fount coupler and bar bent to hell,
> trailer
> > > > > messed
> > > > > > > up where is meet the van. boat is flung from the
> > > > > > > > trailer(remember he in the right lane, boat ends up in the
> center
> > > > > strip,
> > > > > > > 2-3 lane wide road), lands on the keel. Their was some snow
> > > > > > > > that protected the finish form "road rash" and the only damage
> is
> > > the
> > > > > lead
> > > > > > > bulb came off where is landed on it(BTW about 400 pounds
> > > > > > > > on the 1200 of bassist), not bad at all considering, no crack,
> no
> > > > > > > buckheads broken, no hull broken/cracked,  mast hardware fine
> > > > > > > > etc..., bottom line the boat came thought fine and better than
> > > could
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > expected.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4)"Eltion is Fucked time", Think what you would do:-) it is
> not
> > > > > pretty, in
> > > > > > > the middle of nowhere, van  smashed, trailer smashed,
> > > > > > > > boat on the side of the road, alot of money invested in a boat
> and
> > > a
> > > > > boat
> > > > > > > show. Lots of money flowing to make things happen, OK gets
> > > > > > > > the trailer into a weild shop and they fix up it up along with
> the
> > > > > van.
> > > > > > > thats tuesday. gets a hold craine services for wednesday
> > > > > > > > morring to get the boat on the trailer, but they need to close
> 295
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > it, calls the cops at first they where delaying for a few
> > > > > > > > days then he told them he is getting the boat on the side of
> the
> > > road,
> > > > > > > "You are the boat man", apparently he is famious that every
> > > > > > > > cop known the story on that strech of highway. He tells them
> about
> > > the
> > > > > > > boat show and they let him use the crane 900am.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5)late and behind time he makes it to the show, but turnes it
> into
> > > a
> > > > > great
> > > > > > > marketing optiunity to show how strong the boat is, got
> > > > > > > > to love the guy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MJM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am sure thier move but he have fill you in.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:15 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bulb Keel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So what the heck happened?  Everyone is OK right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wally
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > >To: kroposki at innova.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > > > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bulb Keel
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:05:54 -0500
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I heard stan make a quote, "I guest we should use straps"
> :-),
> > > I
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > shore
> > > > > > > > > >it would have made a difference in this case, I waiting
> > > > > > > > > >for the pictures but the trailer got turned into a pretzel,
> > > spent a
> > > > > day
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >the weild shop being rebuilt. The boat would have simply
> > > > > > > > > >rolled with it attached and then broken apart, maybe
> sending a
> > > beam
> > > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > > > >the hull, happened before.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >MJM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > >From: "Kroposki" <kroposki at innova.net>
> > > > > > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:53 AM
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bulb Keel
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Didn't we have a discussion about the durability of the
> Bulb
> > > > > Keel
> > > > > > > > > > > recently?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And I think back, it was Elton who told me that I did
> not
> > > need
> > > > > cross
> > > > > > > > > > > boat tie down straps when I got my boat.  Humm?  Would a
> > > strap
> > > > > > > across
> > > > > > > > > > > the cockpit have been worth the twenty bucks it cost?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  _/)
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > > > > > >                                      Ed K
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Ronald
> > > > > > > Lipton
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:42 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Elton's excellant adventure
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Both the Seaward and the Rhodes 22 are being offered at
> a
> > > $2000
> > > > > > > > > > > discount at the show.  Given what happend the Seaward is
> in
> > > > > > > remarkable
> > > > > > > > > > > shape
> > > > > > > > > > > with the exception of the bulb keel, which did not
> survive
> > > the
> > > > > 70
> > > > > > > mph
> > > > > > > > > > > "grounding".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ron Lipton
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:53 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Elton's excellant adventure
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe GB will have a scratch and dent sail, er I mean
> sale
> > > > > ....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wally
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "keith burkhardt" <mkburk at adelphia.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Elton's excellant adventure
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:03:57 -0500
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >I just got back from the  chi boat show...Elton had
> the
> > > > > Seaward
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > tow
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >it slipped offf the trailer ,,,He has great pics of
> this
> > > > > > > adventure
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > >able to reload the boat abd got it into the show
> > > today...I
> > > > > looked
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Seaward and there appears very little damage...It was
> the
> > > > > talk of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > > > >and many folks visited the area..reagards keith
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