[Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale

[Michael Meltzer]

I here you, what can you say when 95% of the boats are still on the dock on a great summer day. The problem is upsize a bit or no
sailing for a few years, I have there girl and the mall in 5 years will be better than spending time with daddy, but right now they
come along everywhere.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale


Michael,

Buy Bulldog, put it in the slip next to yours.  Every time you want to go sailing, give everyone in the family the option of either
staying on Bulldog in the slip, or going out with you.  I'll bet they pick Bulldog over and over.  By the time you get back to the
slip, no one will be there, because Karin can drive everyone home as soon as they get bored or cranky.

The "we need a larger boat" ploy leads to "this isn't working" and finally "let's get rid of the boat".  Don't let yourself get
suckered.

Most of my friends who purchased larger boats to accommodate their families found themselves alone in floating tubs wishing they
still had the boats they loved.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Meltzer
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale


everyone thanks for the ideas, I am listening, but still working and lack of sleep are leaving little time for email tonight.. think
of this as group therapy :-)

1) I live in the NY area, dock rate are 120$ per foot and 28$ for winter storage, now that 35 footer with the 3 foot bow and 1 foot
rudder is around 5722 a year, ouch.
2)I know the games to store the boat cheaper, CT has laws going back to the 1700's about public harbor use, been thier done that,
but 3 kids on a tender is a pain in the ass.
3)my town has put serval million into the docks,  best docks I every been on, they did not spare a penny, wind/wake/wave protected,
has services, overnight guards and armed cop durring the day(3 police boats, comand shack and they realy want the duity), 1000$ from
april 1 to nov31, two months longer than the rest of the dock, now the problem, 20 year waiting list for 28-34 foot space(the last
space give out was signed up for in 1996, I have a way to go), the best I can my hands on it 27'5' righ now.
4)Would I like to built my 39 bruce roberts, or a 37 foot nuaicat, make be PS 32 house, sure, but those are 200-350 new and even 20
years old still 120+, even then thier going to be 40$ plus in overhual.
5)CD can not point with the full keel and have to much wood :-)
6)IRC racing rules boats, I do not want to live on my side.
7)surpriced no one mentioned the IP 26 with centerboad
8)I have to check the others, but time is a factor, I could build or fix anything on a boat, the problem is I do not do it daily and
am slow. I like sailing, getting larger mean a older boat and more of my time fixing. the problem go up by the 3.5 power with
size(and the price too :-)
9)like to be able to store the boat my self, like to be able to walk into the beach, need sleeping for 5 and that 27.5 number again,
open to ideas and am listening, like to keep sail size down and boat "mass" so I can still single hand, I sail the sound, 3 day
weekend and block island and such.

Sleep time,  I check in tomarrow.

Here is the issues I am facing
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale


> Michael:  Kathy and I went through the Seaward 26RK with Stan and Elton.  Nice.   Sailed on a tiller model with an outboard.
Nice!  It would be a difficult choice to give up an R22 for a Seaward 26RK but there is definitely a market for folks like you who
need something just a bit bigger.
>
> Lots of neat features can be built into both boats to make them just what you want.
>
> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi"
> >
> > From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > Date: 2004/01/19 Mon PM 08:19:49 EST
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale
> >
> > yep, it looks like the seaward will work for us, the cockpit is big enough to get the family on the water and the cabin can
sleep
> > all 5. frankly I would like to get something bigger, like a nuaticat 37. but the bottom line is I do not have the time to use a
boat
> > like that, it is a shame. I was looking at a few others but eight they where overpriced or cheaply built, besides I like the
fact
> > that this is still trailable(good thing I got the excursion :-), shallow enough to walk in and has a 18 hp diesel(and hot water
too
> > :-), BTW thankyou, I did manage to get the truck started in -5. I am surprized no one made a offer yet :-)
> >
> > MJM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale
> >
> >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > So.....what now.........a new seaward 26???? :-) :-)
> > >
> > > Your R 22 is a great boat, wish I was in the market. :-)
> > >
> > > Rik
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:15 PM 1/19/2004, you wrote:
> > > >Boat Show Package #2
> > > >
> > > >IMF Innermast Furling Main.
> > > >Special CDI Furling System With A 175% Reefing Genoa Sail: Storm, Working
> > > >Jib Or Deck Sweeping Genoa, Window, Self Cover, Adjustment
> > > >Lines, Wind Tell-Tales.
> > > >Genoa Hardware System:
> > > >2 Genoa Tracks And Cars.
> > > >2 Lewmar Winches And Winch Handle .
> > > >Stainless Steel Bow Pulpit, Navigation Lights.
> > > >Stainless Steel Stern Rail With Stern Light.
> > > >Stainless Steel Or Teak, Cabin Top Rails.
> > > >Stainless Steel Or Teak, Aft Cabin Grab Rails.
> > > >Stainless Steel 8" Cast 4 Bolt Docking Cleats.
> > > >Stainless Steel 10" Cast Rafting Bow Cleat.
> > > >Stainless Steel 1/2" Bow & Stern Eyes.
> > > >Enclosed Marine Head, Holding Tank, Deck Pump-Out.
> > > >6'4" Adjustable Height Pop-Top.
> > > >Galley: 15 Gallon Water On Demand System, Deck Fill, Vertical Door Ice
> > > >Chest, Deep Sink, 4.5' Counter, Upper And Lower Cabinets,
> > > >Stove And Cutting Board.
> > > >Electrical System: 110v S/P With 3 110v Cabin Outlets. 12v Electric
> > > >System, 6 Circuit, AC-DC Circuit Breaker, Two 12v Accessory
> > > >Outlets, 6 Interior Lamps and Two #27 Batteries.
> > > >Exclusive R-22 7:1 Outboard Motor Lift.
> > > >Interior Cushions: 6 Piece Fabric Set.
> > > >Two Taylor Cabin Top Hatches.
> > > >Two Solar Panels.
> > > >Stern Ladder With With Flat Steps.
> > > >Hiking Stick With Hands-Off Tiller Locks.
> > > >Molded Foam Flotation.
> > > >Two Captain Swivel Seats.
> > > >Three Piece Set Of Cockpit Cushions.
> > > >And All The Other Rhodes Exclusive Features.
> > > >Anchor Package: Colored Anchor, Pulpit Hangers, Deck Vent And
> > > >Under-the-Deck Rope Locker.
> > > >
> > > >$35, 995 base boat show package. Plus: from gb options page
> > > >$695 On Board Mast Hoist System
> > > >$995    Pop Top Enclosure
> > > >$200    with Installation
> > > >$700+300+100 Life Rails/ Cockpit Life Lines/ double set.
> > > >$495 4 Piece Cockpit Filler Cushions + Support Panels
> > > >$395 Macerator Discharge / Discharge system .....Plus
> > > >$95 with install
> > > >$295 Second  Battery with Installation
> > > >$495 Bimini, Dual Positioning
> > > >$2995 Unimatic Trailer, galinaivied
> > > >$595 Anti-Fouling Paint, double coat
> > > >$325 Mast Antenna, Co-Ax Cable, Disconnect Fittings
> > > >$85 Installation of Radio, supplied by owner
> > > >$175 Installation of Depth Finder, supplied by owner
> > > >$150 Installation of Wall Mounted Compass, supplied by owner
> > > >$495 4 Piece Cockpit Filler Cushions + Support Panels
> > > >
> > > >45580 total so far :-)
> > > >
> > > >now for some off the list options.
> > > >$4000 Yamaha 9.9 High thrust extra long shaft, remote tiller controls,
> > > >eclectic motor life, slave motor controls
> > > >$800 Andersen st12 self tailing winches, pair
> > > >$1000 Harken fueling
> > > >$600 110% jib, with cover, upgraded low stretch, long life fabric
> > > >$700 135% jib with cover, upgraded low stretch, long life fabric
> > > >$1100 hood spinnaker(never used), hardware and pole
> > > >$200 Main sail IMF also has the upgrade  low stretch, long life fabric
> > > >$600 Raytheon st60 tridata
> > > >$400 Raytheon st60 multi
> > > >$600 st1000 tiller pilot, with all install parts
> > > >$115 nicro low profile vent
> > > >$256 nicro powervent, with 4 inch thru deck vent
> > > >$120 aqua signal tri tricolor and anchor light
> > > >$170 contest 130 bulkhead compass
> > > >$350 Bose speaker, cockpit mount
> > > >$200 jvc marine am/fm/cd
> > > >$200 icom vhf
> > > >$400 3 sets of white/red combo LED lighting low power draw
> > > >$200 link 10 power meter
> > > >$200 bilge pumps(s), switch, counter
> > > >$100 10 amp 3 stage charging., 110 volt charging
> > > >$100 steaming/decklight
> > > >$100 second breaker panel
> > > >$1200 sealand vacuum head, custom fresh water tank, pursuer water
> > > >$200 extra set cockpit drains
> > > >$350 30 watt solar panel with 3 stage charging
> > > >$300 AGM type 31 batties vs the standard #27
> > > >$1400 misc, Stainless disc breaks, spare tire with mount, led trail
> > > >lights, chokes, ball fender with cover, PVC pipe to lasseret,
> > > >upgraded tinned wire thought-out, compass protected wire by it, bus bars,
> > > >main breaker system, #2 wire motor start system, padeyes,
> > > >cutter rig sail on cdi filler, etc.....
> > > >
> > > >15,961, oboy
> > > >
> > > >$61,541 total, one should never add up what they paid for a boat :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Now for some "intangibles", the boat has had all it's work done at the
> > > >factory, the boats spent every winter down south at the
> > > >factory and has never gone thought a deep freeze, all actions on the boat
> > > >have been carefully watched over while their. The bare
> > > >hull/deck was personal inspected by me in the driveway before any work was
> > > >done, After 3 years all build "issues" have been
> > > >corrected and tested in high wind conditions.  The boat is in great shape
> > > >and ready to sail NOW. The boat has been upgraded to the
> > > >latest 2003 standards.
> > > >
> > > >Now it is time for the Commercial :-)
> > > >1)I have a 2 year old, that is child number 3.
> > > >2)I just got back from the AC boat show and my wife "subjected" I get a
> > > >bigger boat.
> > > >3)I need to "strike while the iron is hot", plus I want to make deal with
> > > >for the new boat for the spring
> > > >4)I know this boat is not for everyone, it is loaded and then some.
> > > >5)the prices are for everything "New", what it would cost today, now the
> > > >boat is 3 years old(and in some ways better than a new
> > > >boat, no "surprises" :-) and I want to make a quick deal. Someone could
> > > >walk a way with a very good deal and a very fair price. I
> > > >need to know what the boat is worth to you. (people spare me the stupid
> > > >answers please)
> > > >6)I do not want Stan hurt here, i.e. he loose a sale, if you are working
> > > >with him now we will do the deal thought Stan(and price
> > > >will be adjusted). If you are not working with GB so much the better.
> > > >Depending on the buyers presences, General boats can prep the
> > > >boats, arrange for delivery, take the new owner for a shake down cruse,
> > > >make any modification or add options to the boat and can
> > > >issue a 2 years new boat warrenty. Now I will have to compensate GB for
> > > >this so "prices will be adjusted :-)"
> > > >7)I think Stan might have a buyer already, But I hate using one of his
> > > >buyers when he doing me a favor, be quick, time count here
> > > >8)do not ask me what I am asking, A boat is only wroth what some is will
> > > >to pay, I suspect their are few that are willing to pay as
> > > >dearly as I did :-)
> > > >
> > > >MJM
> > > >
> > > >
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