[Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements

[Bill Effros]

Slim,

If you can make a better trailer than the one Stan builds, Stan will give you his blessings.  You know that.  My comments were addressed only to the idea of copying what Stan built without either obtaining his permission, or paying him for doing so.  I know you, as a musician, are well acquainted with this concept.

With regard to trailers, you should probably convince Roger to build one for you to Roger's own specifications, or get Roger to send you a set of plans so you can duplicate his trailer which is a successful home-built of his own design.  (Personally I would avoid his glow-in-the-dark model, notwithstanding its possible nighttime safety advantages.)

I would like to see someone build a Rhodes trailer with on-board Jack Stands so the boat could easily be lifted off the bunks for painting and below waterline, off season chores.  If someone develops and tests that concept, I'd be a buyer, and I'd happily pay my share for all the dropped wrecked boats destroyed while trying to make this idea work. 

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Alm 
To: Rhodes 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements


Bill,

So what's a guy to do?  Are you saying that I have no other options than to
trailer my boat all the way to Edenton (there's the first problem--I'll
probably kill myself or someone else in the process)  so that Stan can
adjust my trailer to fit my boat--all boats being a little different?  If
Stan himself doesn't do the work, I'm opening myself up to hellish
consequences?  

Honestly, Bill, I'm not trying to be an argumentative PITA here--but I need
to get my trailer fixed and I'm not going to pull it to GBI.  As much as I'd
like to, that's just not an option.  I need to be able to put my faith in a
reputable shop in MN with realistic specs and get this job done.  It can't
be that hard--can it?

I bought the Rhodes because it's supposed to be a trailerable rig. At this
point, mine is simply not, and I don't mind saying I'm more than a little
disappointed.  I love sailing the R22 but if I can't solve this problem I
don't want it.  It's not safe!

Slim


On 7/26/04 8:30 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Slim,
> 
> If you are reading these in order you saw Stan gave his blessing to those
> repairing and building their trailers.  As always, he is very generous in
> these matters.  Also I have dozens of postings wherein Stan has suggested
> methods for moving the center of gravity to improve the trailer for individual
> boats.
> 
> My original reply to Herb was primarily for newer members of the list who may
> not have thought through this matter, and its ramifications.  Herb responded
> generously multiple times.  That was all I was asking.  Thank you, Herb.
> 
> With regard to using an engineer as a lawyer, I would strongly urge against
> it.  If you honestly believe you can take a full set of plans for a Ford, that
> you received from a third party, and take them to Toyota, and have Toyota
> build you just one Ford for your personal use and eventual sale to an
> unwitting fourth party...you could wind up in jail before you get back to
> Brazil.  Patent law would be the least of your problems--there are dozens of
> laws on the books prohibiting this activity.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Alm 
> To: Rhodes 
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I hope you don't feel badly of me for asking, but speaking as one of those
> who has had a great deal of trouble with my trailer, just exactly how
> intellectual is this property?  After all, mine is a lemon.
> 
> Having not purchased my boat and trailer from GBI, I have no certainty
> whatsoever if Stan put his stamp of approval on my rig before it left the
> shop so I know better than to point fingers--but the fact remains that I
> have to rebuild my trailer.  Last year, when I posted my complaints, even
> Stan said I need to have my axle moved.  This is no small modification.
> 
> Now, I'd like nothing more than to bring the boat and trailer to Stan and
> ask him to fix it for me, but I live in MN.  There must be a better option.
> If I had the correct specs, I'd take the rig to a qualified shop here at
> home and have them do the work.  I'm not qualified to do this kind of work
> myself so I need some help, i.e., specs to give to the shop that does the
> work.
> 
> Thank you, Roger, for reminding us of the legalities of this.  If I have
> this work done here in MN and then something goes dreadfully wrong, I won't
> be liable--the shop that does the work will be the target of any litigation.
> I'm certainly not going into production and sales of R22 trailers--I just
> want mine to work.
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 7/26/04 11:31 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
>> Herb,
>> 
>> I'm an author who earns a living off my intellectual property.  I think it's
>> wrong for people to buy what I've written, make a copy, and send the copy to
>> their friends without paying me for my work.
>> 
>> Stan spent a lot of time and money developing these trailers.  Anyone can
>> look
>> at them, say "that's a good idea" and copy the concept, and modify their own
>> trailer, or have someone else build one--to their own specifications.
>> 
>> But to ask people on the list to measure the trailers they have bought from
>> Stan, and to send you the measurements, so you can build your own trailer, or
>> teach someone else how to build these trailers, without paying Stan for his
>> intellectual property, is wrong, in my view.
>> 
>> I'm sure that is not what you were thinking when you asked the question, and
>> I
>> do not think badly of you for asking it.  This has come up many times before,
>> and I only sometimes respond in this way.
>> 
>> But I do think it's wrong, and I haven't said anything about it for a while.
>> 
>> By the way,  there have been people who extended your idea of "send me the
>> trailer measurements," to "why not copy and sell the whole boat"--let me
>> borrow your boat, I'll make molds from it, we'll make our own exact copies of
>> the boat, we'll sell them and split the profit--if we don't have to pay
>> anything for R&D we can easily sell them for less than Stan can sell them
>> for.
>> 
>> Essentially that's what you're trying to do in the trailer department, in my
>> view.
>> 
>> Bill Effros
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Herb Parsons
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Cc: bill at parsonsys.net
>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:44 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements
>> 
>> 
>> I saw on here that someone had posted information about the trailer
>> measurements for a Rhodes 22. I assume this was bunkboard settings and such.
>> I
>> thought I had saved the original email, but could not find it. If someone has
>> that information, I would be grateful if you could pass it on to me. The
>> Rhodes 22 we are trying to set up a trailer for is a 1983 model. Thanks in
>> advance.
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