question and RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.

Mary Lou Troy mltroy at verizon.net
Mon Jun 28 15:34:45 EDT 2004 

Bill,
A lot of what you say really is true for us as well. We sail and cruise 
comfortably on Fretless and the maintenance and costs increase 
exponentially with size. As long as we are living 2 hours away from the 
boat we'll stick with our Rhodes. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind a 
little more room. Fretless was a big improvement over our 16 in terms of 
comfort and liveability - we even sail more. A 28 might be just about 
right. Not anticipating any changes soon though.

Mary Lou

At 10:47 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Mary Lou,
>
>No time for this now.  On deadline for a book.  Took a few hours yesterday 
>to hop onto my boat for the first time since it's been in the water owing 
>to a commitment made a year ago that I couldn't duck.  Glorious 
>day.  Sailed to Long Island and back.  Everything worked fine on the 
>boat.  Picked up a couple going back on the launch from their much larger 
>boat which they never got to use because the engine wouldn't start.
>
>The dockmaster in Greenwich finally made his dream trip to Bermuda last 
>year.  He reports it was the "trip from hell" and he'll never get suckered 
>into something like that again.
>
>Have a friend who built a $500,000 boat to sail around the world.  Spent a 
>year commissioning it.  He got as far as the Panama canal, decided it was 
>stupid, turned around, came back home, and sold the boat.  At a 
>substantial loss.
>
>Another friend bought a new Pacific Seacraft 40, built for him the next 
>boat after Nigel Calder's boat.  Electrical fire kept him off the water 
>for a year and a half.  (I guess they didn't learn that much from Nigel.)
>
>No one in Greenwich sails as much as I do except for one guy with a Hobie 
>16.  Almost everyone does more maintenance (except for the guy with the Hobie).
>
>The worst room in a Motel 6 is more comfortable than the best room on any 
>boat you can afford to own.  For one thing, you can take as long a shower 
>as you want.
>
>I got myself a Toyota Tundra truck to haul my boat.  Great truck.  I can 
>move and launch my boat to any location faster than any sailboat can get 
>to the same location.  But I find I never do it, because what I really 
>want to do is sail, and that's what I choose to do, all the time.
>
>Everyone I know who has gotten a larger boat than the Rhodes 22 has 
>eventually sold it and moved back to a smaller boat--or they become so 
>discouraged with sailing they stop sailing entirely.  No one with a larger 
>boat has ever sailed more in the larger boat than they did in a smaller 
>boat.  I know of no marriage problems solved by larger boats.
>
>Winnebagos on the water are no more fun to sail than Winnabagos on land 
>are fun to drive.
>
>The Rhodes 22 is simply the perfect boat for me.  Maybe some day something 
>will come along that's better.  But it won't be larger, it won't be more 
>complicated, it won't be less fun to sail.
>
>Back to the book.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mary Lou Troy
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:37 AM
>Subject: qestion and RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
>
>
>I'm with Mark on this. I'd hate to have to subscribe to 5 or 6 different
>lists to find out what my buds, the former Rhodies are up to. The Seaward
>RK 26 appears to be a logical move up from an R22, though it appears that
>36 & 37 footers are currently popular.
>
>So here's a question for all the Rhodies out there, if you were to move up
>(over or down) - what would your next boat be and why? One of the main
>reasons we've stayed small is the ease of maintenance. We like having a
>boat on the Chesapeake that we can haul home for the winter. We've talked
>about retiring down near the Bay and that has brought consideration of a
>bigger boat. Right now I've been looking at Tartan 28s. Supposedly good
>sailing, Sparkman & Stevens design, nice deck layout (with the exception of
>the bridgedeck traveller which would take some getting used to), good
>cockpit, good engine access, good interior layout and some are even
>available tiller-steered. Seems like a nice boat for a couple who still
>would want to do a lot of daysailing but might want to take off on longer
>trips.
>
>Anyone else want to take a stab at this?
>
>Mary Lou
>1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
>Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA
>
>
>At 07:42 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >Michael,
> >
> >Bob and Nancy Quinn are the ones w/ the Tartan 37 - Julie and I have a
> >Tayana 37.
> >
> >And my two cents worth on this topic - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If
> >we can allow the political rants we've seen, surely we can allow boats other
> >than the R22 to be discussed, as well.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
> >Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:46 AM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
> >
> >
> >I can agree with this :-), mjm does not like to work more than the next man.
> >I have to admit I do find the topic a little strange, I
> >figured this might have been a problem and asked a few months ago, it seemed
> >that most were ok with it, now that it is a fact, some
> >of the same people have a problem. OK, I am sitting druming my fingures on
> >what to do, like I have a question about the macys fire
> >works/hellgate/anchorage ,an other about puting on names and have I a answer
> >about "centen". Should I even bother asking or
> >answering?  Next problem if people did not want me here who should I hand
> >the list over to, Mark a 37 tartan, Will is a seaward 26
> >and so and I, they will be subject the same "problem".  Now sailnet or yahoo
> >groups would work but they have thier warts. Resomable
> >people made a resonable statement/request, My problem is I am human too and
> >feel a little rejected, just do not have the hart to
> >deal with the list tonight.
> >
> >MJM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:57 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
> >
> >
> > > I agree, heck this list doesn't have much traffic as it is. Why make MJM
> > > have to work any harder supporting two lists. Maybe Rummy was going 
> to run
> > > the new server. ;-)
> > >
> > > PS Ric - I went sailing Saturday and Sunday.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Dan Bodnar" <dsbodnar at earthlink.net>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
> > > >Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:57:14 -0400
> > > >
> > > >As a regular reader and occasional contributor, I too gave some thought
> >to
> > > >space taken up by the Seaward dialog, and also came to some conclusions.
> > > >
> > > >I happen to agree that it is the people that makes this list what it is.
> > > >The discussion of a 'foreign' boat isn't much different than the
> >political
> > > >and sports discussions that get going on the list.  It all makes up the
> > > >character of this list, and often provides excellent food for thought.
> >The
> > > >biggest improvement to the management of the list has been the 
> discipline
> > > >I've seen everyone use in keeping the subject line on topic.
> > > >
> > > >Although I'd move up to the (Still Only A Dream) Rhodes 26, this
> >afternoon
> > > >if I could, I like hearing the experiences people are having with other
> > > >boats, Flicka, Seaward, classic runabouts, Rhodes 19 etc.  These are
> >people
> > > >I've come to know and their comments, positive and negative, go a long
> >way
> > > >in influencing my choices and opinions.
> > > >
> > > >I also think that a lot of the chatter about the Seaward will settle 
> down
> > > >after the boats are delivered and get sorted out.  These people still
> >have
> > > >a
> > > >lot of good Rhodes experience to share with the group. I'd hate to have
> > > >them
> > > >feel unwelcome, because they are sailing something else, at the moment.
> > > >
> > > >There is something to be said about the GBI umbrella too.
> > > >
> > > >Dan Bodnar
> > > >SV; QOL, '92 Rhodes 22
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
> > > >Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:02 PM
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > >Rummy and all,
> > > >
> > > >Yeah, you are right about the traffic on the Seaward. BUT, I was 
> thinking
> > > >about this too. True this list is named the R22 list, but when we really
> > > >think about it, isn't it really more like the "I bought a boat from Stan
> > > >and/or Elton list"?? In my estimation we (at least I) are here more
> >because
> > > >our friends, or people we know are here, than because of which brand of
> > > >boat we have. I know there are other Seaward forums already and I'm sure
> > > >most who are migrating to the 26 probably are already communicating on
> > > >those as well. I also belong to the Flicka 20 list, but I still come 
> here
> > > >because I like you Rummy, as well as a lot of other folks on the list.
> > > >Also, this list tends to be a little less full of the topic police than
> > > >most and is more fun to be around because the topic tends to vary from
> >day
> > > >to day.
> > > >
> > > >I can't say if this diversity is a good thing or a bad thing for the
> >list.
> > > >I suppose opinion on this will vary from one person to the next. For me
> > > >(yes I know I'm now an outsider) coming here is more about staying in
> >touch
> > > >with my friends than talking about a specific boat.
> > > >
> > > >Just my 2 cents worth, probably wasn't worth that much though. :-)
> > > >
> > > >Hey, somebody sail a little bit for me. Let me know where we went. I'm
> > > >working again this weekend.....as usual.
> > > >
> > > >Rik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 09:07 AM 6/26/2004, you wrote:
> > > > >I have waited several weeks before writing this post, so a little bit
> >of
> > > > >thought has gone into writing this.
> > > > >I have noticed that the amount of mail concerning the new RK26 is
> > > > >overwhelming the list. Not that this is a bad thing, it's just that I
> > > > >don't have  any
> > > > >interest in it.
> > > > >I would like to throw up for discussion the possibility of another 
> list
> > > >for
> > > > >the RK26 owners. It is not a Rhodes design hull and I think they 
> need a
> > > >new
> > > > >home.
> > > > >
> > > > >Rummy
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