[Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails

[Wally Buck]

Rik,

Makes perfect sense to me.

Wally

>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:02:01 -0600
>
>Wally,
>
>Here's a little "first hand" pointing expeience. Our Rhodes had a 175. When 
>we
>and the others Rhodies were in KY, we had a race, just between us. I had
>pulled out quite a lead with my 175 in the lighter breezes we had early in
>the race. As we got closer to the finish, the breeze picked up. I did not
>furl our 175 much, three or four wraps on the furler tops, I also stayed 
>with
>sheeting outside the shrouds.. Anne, on the other hand, has a 150 if I am 
>not
>mistaken. As the breeze got stronger toward the end of the race, she furled
>her 150 a bit and sheeted it inside the shrouds. She damned near beat me,
>because she was pointing better than I was. The pointing difference was
>fairly dramatic. I have to admit that I did make one extra tack because of
>under estimating my tacking angle to the commitee boat and that cost me 
>some
>ground, but still, Anne sailed a much closer angle to the wind than I could
>at the end of that race.
>
>Rik
>
>
>On Sun, Mar 14 2004 09:53 am, Wally Buck wrote:
> > Ed,
> >
> > Thanks for taking a shot at posting the real basic question but you got 
>it
> > totally wrong. :-)
> >
> > The question is/was; what sail provides the best blend of speed and
> > pointing ability in 8 - 12 knots?  It is a multiple-choice question and 
>the
> > captain is not one of the answers offered. I am not trying to figure out
> > who is the better sailor. I do agree that the skipper's skill is an
> > important component but bringing that into this equation is bad math. I 
>am
> > seeking feedback on sails not sailors. I didn't ask could a beginner 
>with a
> > 175 beat a pro with a 155 or anything like that.
> >
> > Bill and Rummy said they loved their 175s, I believe them. I asked them
> > when they furled. The thread then moved on to the point that Rummy and 
>Bill
> > claimed they don't furl sails in a 20 knot wind let alone in 12 knot. 
>Bill
> > clarified that he did furl his main. Roger added his insight and I 
>thought
> > it made sense based on what I have experienced in my boat.
> >
> > I have agreed that a 175 sail is faster in certain wind speeds. I don't
> > agree that it is best in 20 knots. I am not seeking a sail for 20 knots
> > though. My 125 has that covered. I don't need a better headsail running
> > with the wind my spinnaker has that covered.
> >
> > One point (pun intended) that is not being mentioned in this 
>conversation
> > is pointing ability. My main concern about the 175 is that I will sail
> > along quite smartly from riverbank to riverbank and not make any 
>headway. I
> > don't find that relaxing or fun. Neither Bill not Rummy provided any 
>feed
> > back about pointing. Bill said he could make it around a triangular 
>course.
> > I wish we raced in a triangle but we only have two marks. We race dead 
>into
> > the wind than back down wind. So is a 175 a good sail for this when it 
>is
> > blowing 8-12? I am thinking once this big things gets furled down sail
> > shape will suffer.
> >
> > One thing I have noticed is that every one that races even a little bit
> > liked the 155, those that don't race seem to like the 170. I said all 
>along
> > that I have an open mind but the logic seems to steer me towards a 155 
>as
> > the better sail for the conditions I asked about. I appreciate posts 
>from
> > all.
> >
> > I hope this clarifies.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "kroposki" <kroposki at innova.net>
> >
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
> > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:32:16 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >      I just got back to my computer and have not read all the post 
>about
> > >which sail you are leaning to.  Saturday I had a unique experience with
> > >a new Rhodie and I will let him tell the story when he gets back.
> > >
> > >      The real basic question is whether you sail to relax or do you 
>want
> > >to race (compete).  If you want to relax and enjoy, the 175 Genny can 
>be
> > >reasonably adjusted for most sailable wind conditions.  But if you want
> > >maximum control then you need different sails.  Not just a choice of 
>110
> > >or 150.
> > >
> > >      I believe that Saturday, Keith Burhardt(sp?) demonstrated that 
>with
> > >attention to detail, you could adjust the 175 to achieve near maximum
> > >potential at any point of sail.  Just ask him, he will be back on the
> > >list probably later in the week.
> > >
> > >      Some of the questions and issues presented in the discussion of
> > >your question are (1) skill of the captain (number 1!), and (2) plain
> > >old individual differences.  Some people like tea without sugar, some
> > >with, some with lemon, some with cream.
> > >
> > >      From what I have seen is that someone skillful with adjusting the
> > >175 would push someone with different sails.  The 175 might not win, 
>but
> > >then again, it might.  It is the same issues as a standard main against
> > >the IMF.  The real issue is how skillful is the user of each.  I think
> > >that with his sail configuration that Rummy would push Roger to working
> > >to win.  But then again, Roger might not win.  They are both very
> > >skillful with the paint brushes that they have.
> > >
> > >                         Ed K
> > >
> > >
> > >
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