pinning turnbuckles Re: [Rhodes22-list] Proud New Rhodes 22 Owners

[Jim Connolly]

Some of the turnbuckles I had on my old Mariner were closed tubular type and
could not be pinned (e.g.,  West Marine Catalog pg 1012 part # 114942).
They locked with a jam nut on each end against the turnbuckle body.  I also
had one visually similar to the Ronstan sealoc type (same page, part #
364994) on the forestay, which also locked via a nut.

I think this was a result of haphazard partial standing rigging replacement
over 30 years, and not a preference.  I did not observe that either type was
better at not releasing.  The not ones require a small wrench to adjust, but
have little on which to catch sails, lines or clothes.  

FWIW, I use cotter rings, not pins on my turnbuckles, and I have not had
problems.

My $0.02

Jim Connolly
s/v Inisheer


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:26 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: pinning turnbuckles Re: [Rhodes22-list] Proud New Rhodes 22 Owners

Hmmm..... I'd like to hear some more discussion on this. Having had a shroud
come unfastened near the end of a long sail in bumpy conditions the first
year we had Fretless (yeah we're slackers and didn't have enough tension in
the rig), we have always pinned our turnbuckles since. When we tighten the
turnbuckles we are very careful to hold the stay with a pair of pliers so
the stay itself doesn't turn. I think I'd rather be extra careful not to
induce any twist and then pin the turnbuckles. They are, after all,
TURNbuckles and are meant to turn. Anyone else have opinions on this? What
are the locknuts mentioned below?

By the way we had a two hour sail on Saturday - nice winds, not too cold,
managed to exit the slip and return without breaking anything, even managed
to have all the lines run correctly and working smoothly - it was great to
be back on the water!

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Swan Creek , MD / Ft. Washington, PA




At 11:14 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>none of the above, you will end up breaking the wire, the reason the 
>turn buckles come undone is because you transferred "twits" to the 
>wire, unless it come out and fast the wire will break under load, it is 
>also a very common mistake with high odds you made it.
>if the trun bucks pop, just make sure to put the back on without 
>letting the wire turn, that also goes for all tighting.
>
>MJM
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sheldon Green" <sheldongreen at comcast.net>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:53 PM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Proud New Rhodes 22 Owners
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>Hello to the Rhodes 22 Board....
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>We are novice sailors and would like to introduce ourselves to the 
>board as Elton has just delivered our refurbished Rhodes 22.  Accolades 
>to Stan for a really great design in a Sailboat!
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>We will be sailing out of Mariner's Marina in Barnegat, NJ.  The Marina 
>has more 90% Sailboats.
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>We spent our first weekend on the boat, however we were unable to take 
>her for our maiden voyage as the winds were in excess of 20 knots.  
>This of course gave us time to rig the boat and explore it various 
>"nooks and crannies". Jay Friedland, of L.B.I., was gracious enough to 
>help Elton and us to launch and rig the boat.
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>While rigging the boat, Jay showed us how to secure the turnbuckles 
>from loosening after applying the appropriate tension to the Shrouds
/Stays.
>While talking to one of the other sailors in the Marina about the 
>different ways to secure the turnbuckles, they suggested that we use
"locking nuts"
>(Check Nut Locking) vs. "ring pins" or "cotter pins".  They explained 
>that the "locking nuts" were easier to manage in the long run.  So.... 
>I was wondering if anyone has used this approach, and if so, what size 
>nuts are needed for job (#10,1/4", 5/16", or 3/8")?
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