[Rhodes22-list] Pointing is Bob right?

Wed May 5 23:54:18 EDT 2004

Michael,
	You have a point.  Keith Burhhardt did better than that with no
prior Rhodes sailing experience.  Either he did better or his GPS was wrong.
And he was doing it with a malfunctioning genoa and less wind.
                          Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing

15-20 knots of wind and only 3.5-4 knots of boat speed, now that is
embarrassing. unless it a typeo you need a sail trimming lesson
that best done on the water.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Keller" <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:30 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing

> Just read some discussion about pointing at 45 degrees.  We just returned
> from another trip to Florida (Charlotte Harbor area) and we had winds in
the
> 15-20 knot range most of the week.  While pointing to windward on our last
> day, we had 16-18 knots, the sheets were inside the shrouds, the sheets
were
> run through my new inside genoa track and the best we could point was
50-55
> degrees to the apparent wind. Steering was by autopilot while I tweaked
the
> sails and kept pointing us as high as possible. The wind instrument
(ST-40)
> told me all this, so it was not an estimate or a WAG.  Anyway, I noticed
> that a number of larger, deeper draft boats were pointing much better,
which
> is logical since the R-22 is a small, beamy trailerable boat and close
> hauled is not the best point of sail.  My rigging is not really "tuned"
but
> I did have the backstay tight.  Just wanted to share this with the list
> because 45 degrees would be excellent, especially with a 175 genoa...  We
> had the mainsail half furled (IMF) and the genoa only out about halfway
and
> the boom in the lower position.  Even when the wind was gusting to 20-21
> knots, the ride was very comfortable, and the heeling was minimal: 15
> degrees or less, which made my wife very happy.  She enjoyed it immensely.
> Our boat speed was about 3.5 - 4 knots.
> Bob K
> Yankee Clipper
> The boat will be back at Lake Hartwell in two weeks, as soon as the damage
> from trailering has been repaired (don't ask)!
>
>
> >From: <reme2952 at verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 7:03:31 -0500
> >
> >
> > > Ben,
> >Thanks for your response.  Your suggestions were well taken, but I know
we
> >can do even better than 45 degrees.  We'll be sure to let you know how.
> >) Andy
> > > From: Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com>
> > > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:48:52 CDT
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > >
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > Call me crazy, but 45 degrees is pretty good for a beamy sailboat made
> >for
> > > comfort more than made for racing.  Most of the cruising boats that
I've
> > > been on can point only to about 50-55 degrees.
> > >
> > > That said, something else to try is to furl the genoa, and bring the
> >sheets
> > > inside the shrouds.  Also, of course, make sure the pop-top and
hatches
> >are
> > > closed.  All of that can make a big difference.
> > >
> > > You didn't mention wind speed in your message.  Since moving the
> >traveler
> > > windward helped, I would think that it was pretty light air.
Naturally,
> >the
> > > best sail trim and rigging options will vary with the strength of the
> >wind.
> > > If you have standard main, how old is it?  You will probably lose
> >pointing
> > > ability as the sailcloth loses stiffness.  I'm sure your bottom is
clean
> > > after the refurb., but if not, that can cause a difference also.
> > >
> > > Of course, I'm currently sailing with nice soft sails, a bottom that
is
> > > slimier than it should be, and usually with the bimini and pop top up,
> >so
> > > what do I know?
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lessard [ mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com
> > > <mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com> ]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 07:06
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > >
> > >
> > > Help!     We got our butts kicked last night.
> > >
> > > We are the proud, new owners of a refurbished Rhodes22.  We enjoy
> >cruising,
> > > but trading from a J22, we still appreciate performance and a little
> > > competition in sailing with the cruising fleet at Riverton Yacht Club
on
> >the
> > > Deleware.
> > >
> > > Elton did an excellent job getting the boat set up and on the go.  But
> >we do
> > > not have any information about tuning.  We have new Doyle sails.
> > >
> > > We would also appreciate any help in how to best trim the sails to
point
> > > better to the wind.  With the rigging set up the way we were given the
> >boat,
> > > the best we could manage was 60 degrees to the wind.  With the current
> >we
> > > have on the river, that is not high enough to even make the weather
> >mark.
> > > What we have done is keep the boom in the lower position, moved the
car
> >as
> > > far back as it will go on the jib sheet and trimmed the jib sheet back
> > > almost to the car.  Last night we tried moving the traveller on the
main
> >to
> > > windward and that seemed to help.  What helped the most was cranking
> >down on
> > > the rear stay.  To windward, we kept the centerboard all the way down.
> >With
> > > all these efforts, the best we could point was about 45 degrees.
Still
> >not
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > Any help will be greatly appreciated.  We do understand we are not
> >sailing a
> > > J22, but we also know that every sailboat has its optimum tuning and
> > > trimming. Thank You,
> > >
> > > Andy Lessard
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