[Rhodes22-list] Pointing is Bob right?

Thu May 6 10:15:37 EDT 2004

I think the critical factor in Bob's speed was the requirement of keeping a
nervous admiral happy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Meltzer [mailto:mjm at michaelmeltzer.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 22:12
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing is Bob right?

the answer might be less wind for the difference, it does not take much
reefing of the 175 for it to loose all sail shape, and if he was using the
inside sheeting it has the sail area of a wet hanky and as much sail shape
to, add some "pinching" and it happens. it were the smaller sails come into
their own. They turn wind into boat speed and not heeling. it also hard to
answer these type of question in writing. 20 minutes on the water is worth
10,00 words :-)

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing is Bob right?

Michael,
You have a point.  Keith Burhhardt did better than that with no prior Rhodes
sailing experience.  Either he did better or his GPS was wrong. And he was
doing it with a malfunctioning genoa and less wind.
                          Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing

15-20 knots of wind and only 3.5-4 knots of boat speed, now that is
embarrassing. unless it a typeo you need a sail trimming lesson that best
done on the water.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Keller" <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:30 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing

> Just read some discussion about pointing at 45 degrees.  We just 
> returned from another trip to Florida (Charlotte Harbor area) and we 
> had winds in
the
> 15-20 knot range most of the week.  While pointing to windward on our 
> last day, we had 16-18 knots, the sheets were inside the shrouds, the 
> sheets
were
> run through my new inside genoa track and the best we could point was
50-55
> degrees to the apparent wind. Steering was by autopilot while I 
> tweaked
the
> sails and kept pointing us as high as possible. The wind instrument
(ST-40)
> told me all this, so it was not an estimate or a WAG.  Anyway, I 
> noticed that a number of larger, deeper draft boats were pointing much 
> better,
which
> is logical since the R-22 is a small, beamy trailerable boat and close 
> hauled is not the best point of sail.  My rigging is not really 
> "tuned"
but
> I did have the backstay tight.  Just wanted to share this with the 
> list because 45 degrees would be excellent, especially with a 175 
> genoa...  We had the mainsail half furled (IMF) and the genoa only out 
> about halfway
and
> the boom in the lower position.  Even when the wind was gusting to 
> 20-21 knots, the ride was very comfortable, and the heeling was 
> minimal: 15 degrees or less, which made my wife very happy.  She 
> enjoyed it immensely. Our boat speed was about 3.5 - 4 knots. Bob K
> Yankee Clipper
> The boat will be back at Lake Hartwell in two weeks, as soon as the damage
> from trailering has been repaired (don't ask)!
>
>
> >From: <reme2952 at verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 7:03:31 -0500
> >
> >
> > > Ben,
> >Thanks for your response.  Your suggestions were well taken, but I 
> >know
we
> >can do even better than 45 degrees.  We'll be sure to let you know 
> >how.
> >) Andy
> > > From: Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com>
> > > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:48:52 CDT
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > >
> > > Andy,
> > >
> > > Call me crazy, but 45 degrees is pretty good for a beamy sailboat 
> > > made
> >for
> > > comfort more than made for racing.  Most of the cruising boats 
> > > that
I've
> > > been on can point only to about 50-55 degrees.
> > >
> > > That said, something else to try is to furl the genoa, and bring 
> > > the
> >sheets
> > > inside the shrouds.  Also, of course, make sure the pop-top and
hatches
> >are
> > > closed.  All of that can make a big difference.
> > >
> > > You didn't mention wind speed in your message.  Since moving the
> >traveler
> > > windward helped, I would think that it was pretty light air.
Naturally,
> >the
> > > best sail trim and rigging options will vary with the strength of 
> > > the
> >wind.
> > > If you have standard main, how old is it?  You will probably lose
> >pointing
> > > ability as the sailcloth loses stiffness.  I'm sure your bottom is
clean
> > > after the refurb., but if not, that can cause a difference also.
> > >
> > > Of course, I'm currently sailing with nice soft sails, a bottom 
> > > that
is
> > > slimier than it should be, and usually with the bimini and pop top 
> > > up,
> >so
> > > what do I know?
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lessard [ mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com 
> > > <mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com> ]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 07:06
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > >
> > >
> > > Help!     We got our butts kicked last night.
> > >
> > > We are the proud, new owners of a refurbished Rhodes22.  We enjoy
> >cruising,
> > > but trading from a J22, we still appreciate performance and a 
> > > little competition in sailing with the cruising fleet at Riverton 
> > > Yacht Club
on
> >the
> > > Deleware.
> > >
> > > Elton did an excellent job getting the boat set up and on the go.  
> > > But
> >we do
> > > not have any information about tuning.  We have new Doyle sails.
> > >
> > > We would also appreciate any help in how to best trim the sails to
point
> > > better to the wind.  With the rigging set up the way we were given 
> > > the
> >boat,
> > > the best we could manage was 60 degrees to the wind.  With the 
> > > current
> >we
> > > have on the river, that is not high enough to even make the 
> > > weather
> >mark.
> > > What we have done is keep the boom in the lower position, moved 
> > > the
car
> >as
> > > far back as it will go on the jib sheet and trimmed the jib sheet 
> > > back almost to the car.  Last night we tried moving the traveller 
> > > on the
main
> >to
> > > windward and that seemed to help.  What helped the most was 
> > > cranking
> >down on
> > > the rear stay.  To windward, we kept the centerboard all the way 
> > > down.
> >With
> > > all these efforts, the best we could point was about 45 degrees.
Still
> >not
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > Any help will be greatly appreciated.  We do understand we are not
> >sailing a
> > > J22, but we also know that every sailboat has its optimum tuning 
> > > and trimming. Thank You,
> > >
> > > Andy Lessard __________________________________________________
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