[Rhodes22-list]Raz's Motor

Mon Oct 4 11:34:49 EDT 2004

Ed,

Repairs are almost always cheaper than new, so that is great advice.   
My Honda 8 is a 4-cycle (as was the Honda 2 that I discussed).  I had  
not thought about the difficulty of starting older 4-cycles vs.  
2-cycles before.  Is that really true?  Now that I think of it, my home  
2-cycles (leaf blowers, weed wackers, chain saws) always start and some  
of them are really pretty rickety otherwise.

(the other nice thing about older motors, especially really beat up  
ugly ones, is their relative unattractiveness to those of impure  
thots).

I think I'll give the tune-up route another try during the off season.   
My worry of sailing into my dock is not so much my own boat but dinging  
the other nice boats around me.  When I trailer sailed a Chrysler 15, I  
didn't even own a motor and it was fine b/c I could always beach the  
thing and more or less walk it over to where it needed to be.

raz
s/v Rocky Rhodes

On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:18 AM, ed kroposki wrote:

> Raz,
>
> 	Your discovery of the 2hp motor may have solved your problems.  I
> used to sail from the dock and sail to the dock, but I took a great  
> deal of
> heat for what I was doing.  I said I had a sail boat, they said how do  
> you
> know that your motor works.
> 	If all I ever was going to do was sail on my home lake, then any
> small motor would do.  But if you sail on he coast, you have to deal  
> with
> currents.  Even with a wind you can go backwards.  So I have an 8hp  
> motor,
> which I deem adequate to handle currents.
> 	In using an older motor, a lot depends on who tunes and adjusts it.
> Some mechanics have an ability to take a motor that is a problem and  
> correct
> the problem.  Your choice in who you choose to tune your old motor is
> probably the issue, not that you have an old motor.  Maybe spend some  
> time
> looking for that great mechanic is the real way to go.  $200 is a lot  
> less
> than $2,000.
> 	Old four strokes seem to me to become problems, unless the owner
> himself knows how to make adjustments.  Whereas, most of us can  
> eventually
> get an old 2 stroke going.  Is your current motor 2 or 4.  From my  
> personal
> experience, I stand with Rummy that the 4 strokes are more difficult  
> to deal
> with.
> 	Keep in mind that there are quite a few on this list concerned with
> environmental issues.  Old outboard engines are known polluters.
> 	
> Ed K
> Sailing on Rummy's Lake, aka, Lake Hartwell
> South Carolina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Razgaitis  
> Richard
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Motor Replies
>
> Thanks for all the input including back channel.  I like the Honda 8
> that I have but for the starting challenges, which I may just have
> (another) tune job and see how it works next year.  I appreciate
> especially the advice about the XL shaft; but for such, I would have
> probably lined up the L.
>
> By the way, I tried out the new Honda AIR cooled, 4 cycle, 2 (as in
> "two") HP on the Rhodes.  (I bought it for a dink I am getting).  In no
> wind, wave, or current, it does a right smart job and is light on the
> lift and crank, and the air cooled feature is nice because it reduces
> the things you have to worry about by one.  I think it is a little
> louder than the water-cooled version, but not objectionably so.   If I
> was sure that all I ever needed was motoring the last 100 feet, I think
> it would be a workable solution.  But into the wind, let alone over the
> waves,  I am not sure it could make headway, or much headway, and when
> you need the motor,  generally speaking, you really need it.
>
> raz
> Rocky Rhodes
> Rock Hall MD
>
> On Oct 3, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Bill Effros wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> As you know, I don't have the time at this moment to write about boat
>> stuff.  In a nutshell, my view on motors and virtually everything else
>> regarding the R-22 is that each of us must first carefully define our
>> needs before making a decision.
>>
>> In my case, and in the experience of many others on the list, the R-22
>> is such a good sailboat that we use our motors infrequently.  That
>> being the case, it doesn't make sense, in our view, to spend a lot of
>> money on a state-of-the-art motor, when that money can better be spent
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> Very low polluting, reasonably quiet, low weight, extremely reliable,
>> inexpensive 2-stroke engines are currently available.  For me and many
>> others on this list--that is our choice.  I like electric
>> start/alternator engines because I am on a mooring, and I recharge my
>> batteries every time I use my engine--that coupled with the constant
>> low input of my solar panels is all I ever need.  Long shafts propel
>> better in use, but drag in the water on some boats.
>>
>> There may be other factors others wish to add.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ed kroposki
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:36 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Motor Replies
>>
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> You are the professional writer.  Instead of finding flames where
>> there are none, why not write an eloquent discussion of your knowledge
>> about
>> motors and email it to Tom.  The motor stuff on the FAQ needs updating
>> and
>> you are one of the most qualified to write a viewpoint different than
>> Roger's.
>>
>> I only asked you to make a positive contribution within your
>> capabilities, and you reply on irrelevant issues.  You are getting too
>> psyched out over alleged personal attacks.
>>
>> Watch the attachments for a minute.
>>
>> Ed K
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:23 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raz's Motor by Bill
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> One of the problems with the list is that new people ask questions
>> without
>> doing any homework.  We have spent thousands of hours discussing this
>> issue,
>> and have left behind hundreds of pages of opinions, all of which are
>> accessible by any new person joining this list.  Instead of taking
>> (another)
>> swipe at me personally, why don't you just tell him where he can find
>> this
>> information, as you have done with much other information we have
>> compiled
>> on other issues.
>>
>> This is not a simple question, and you know it.  If I re-present my
>> views,
>> then Roger, and Rummy, and everyone else will have to re-present
>> theirs,
>> also.  I'm tired of it.  I know Roger is, too.  You, and everyone else
>> who
>> has been on this list for a while, know we don't agree on this matter.
>>  Let
>> the new Raz read it all and make up his own mind.  There is no reason
>> to
>> pour gasoline on this fire.
>>
>> I did not want to take a swipe at the new Raz.  He could not know we
>> just
>> discussed motors 2 or 3 weeks ago, and he certainly is not the first
>> new
>> person to ask a question we have already answered and documented.
>>
>> You know the new Raz doesn't know that we have agreed (over my
>> objections)
>> to discuss politics on this list, and that every comment I have made
>> has
>> been within the bounds of our agreement.  Your repeated flaming of
>> individuals is out of bounds.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ed kroposki
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:47 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Raz's Motor by Bill
>>
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> I cannot believe that after all the political trash that you have
>> posted,
>> you are the one to complain about a legit question.  You above all
>> people
>> should be forthcoming with a full discussion about an area of your  
>> real
>> expertise.  One place you can make a positive contributions and you
>> shirk?
>> All you have to do is go back and copy applicable sections of your
>> previous
>> emails about motors.  Get right and help the guy!
>>
>> Ed K
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:47 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Razf from Single Axle Triad to a Zero
>> AxleTriad
>>
>> Oh, Boy.
>>
>> Will someone talk to the new raz back-channel about motors?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Razgaitis Richard
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Razf from Single Axle Triad to a Zero
>> AxleTriad
>>
>>
>> Bypass Wreckers was the 'I'll scoop it up' guy (there is a whole  
>> family
>> that works there and everyone's name starts with "J").  But then I had
>> Coastal Wreckers truck the whole shebang from Rocky Mount to Rock  
>> Hall,
>> from a rock to a hard place so to speak.  Don't know what it is about
>> NC wreckers but they only take cash.  So the trailer now sits  at the
>> marina in Rock Hall.  I have decided not to fix it.
>>
>> The light I saw was the sparks coming from the longitudinal frame of
>> the trailer dragging on I-95, b/c by the time I noticed anything that
>> wheel had long gone.
>>
>> When I bought the boat and trailer in  April the then owner was honest
>> about it needing some upgrading, so I spent a good bit doing just  
>> that,
>> including new bearings, rims, and tires and pretty much everything
>> else.
>>
>> New question:  my old Honda 8 is not the easiest to start (and I am
>> getting lazy).  Anyone have experience with the new 8's or 9.9's (same
>> carcass I understand)?  With electric start?  Is the XL shaft (25
>> inches) the better choice?
>>
>> raz
>> Rocky Rhodes
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2004, at 8:46 AM, ed kroposki wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Raz,
>>>
>>> The wrecker service that came, by any chance from Ralph's?
>>>
>>> BTW, if it was light you might have seen your wheel roll by.
>>>
>>> Is the boat still at the wrecker service?  As Paul Harvey says, the
>>> rest of story?
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Razgaitis
>>> Richard
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:34 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to go from Single Axle Triad to a Zero
>>> AxleTriad
>>>
>>> By driving N on I-95 at 2 a.m. towing your trailer + rhodes, feeling  
>>> a
>>> heavy, sudden jolt pulling back on your big SUV and looking out the
>>> passenger side mirror and seeing a light brighter than the center of
>>> the sun with the sparks of a thousand welders spraying everywhere.
>>> When I got (mostly) over to the shoulder and to a stop and ventured
>>> out
>>> into the night to see what was left, the entire, I mean entire, right
>>> side tire and rim was gone (Miami CSI wouldn't have found it), and
>>> only
>>> 35 degrees worth of my hub remained together with just two toasted
>>> stud
>>> bolts looking at me while crackling the surrounding air with heat
>>> vapors.  Near as I can tell, the hub or rim on that side just came
>>> apart and disappeared into the night sky and caused the trailer to
>>> fall
>>> down to the front-to-back rail on the right hand side and operated as
>>> a
>>> one-wheel and one-skid boat carrying device.  When I called AAA and
>>> tried to explain as carefully as I could my predicament, they called
>>> back to comfort me with the promise that someone was coming to fix my
>>> (non-existent) tire;  I tried to explain that there was no tire, no
>>> rim, and no hub.  And that I was thinking more on the lines of a
>>> Sikorsky not a tire-changer.  They later located a wrecker, who  
>>> seemed
>>> to take it all in stride:  "let me come out there and see if I can
>>> scoop it up..." just like it was a dropping or something; but "scoop
>>> it
>>> up" is what he did.
>>>
>>> raz
>>> Rocky Rhodes
>>> Rock Hall MD
>>>
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