Too much boat stuff lately <g>. This one's incredible: http://www.horkulated.com/staticpages/index.php?page=oneill-liar <http://www.horkulated.com/staticpages/index.php?page=oneill-liar> And this one's pretty interesting (apparently denial is not a river in Egypt): http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html Mark