[Rhodes22-list] politics- why should small business owners vote forKerry ?

[Steve]

Stan
You are missing the whole point is tax relelf.  Here
is how it work.

  The country has generated a surplus of taxes due to
the Reagan & Bush Sr. lowering of taxes.  Then Clinton
come in and rasis taxes and the country fall into a
recession do to tax & spend policy.  The country still
has a budget surplus but business are laying off
people to keep up thier profit margins.  

The only thing George W. can do is lower taxes equally
(which includes the rich - they are the only ones that
hire people) so that business can free up money to
expand. OK this has been done and now you can see what
has happen.  One of the shortage recession of all
times.   

Next step.  So that business can plan for the future
and make long range strategic market predictions; the
tax reductions must be made permenent.  This to has
been done.  

So you hear Bush predict that he can cut the deficit
in 5 years.  Here how.  Interest rates are low.  The
economcy is on the rise.  The only real problem is
oil.  However, the higher oil prices won't slow down
the economy due to oil is a pass on cost.  

OK, with the economy and the market as it is now and
with taxes low; jobs will continue to become
available.  Meaning more people pay taxes.  Therefore,
the more job growth there is - the less available work
force.  The less available work force; the higher
wages and the more taxes that are generated.  The more
people that have jobs; the more things people want to
buy.  The more people buy; the more taxes generated. 

All this happens & will happen and the national debts
will get paid.  Raising taxes will only SLOW the
economy.  You just can't run a country by taxing
everyone to death.  Companies that are in a free
country like our will simple move offshore.  Which
generate NO taxes.  
Steve

PS - you can also lower the national debts by
decreaseing welfare entitlements:-)  Just thought I
would throw that in.

    
--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

> Phyllis (and Steve and his followers)
> 
> Sorry, outgoing mail down yesterday - hope this
> helps you with your friend:
> 
> Most of us want the same thing.  We just disagree
> how to get there.  Most 
> work for someone else, so have a different vantage
> point.  From this 
> business owners point of view, taxes are just one of
> the many reasons your 
> friend should consider Kerry:  (If you read Steve's
> view on taxes you can 
> see how mixed up people are on who should be paying
> for the cost of running 
> our country.)
> 
> We all agree that we need at least enough government
> to conduct wars.  We 
> know wars costs money and have to be paid for.  So
> the citizens must chip in 
> and pay the bill, or use credit.  If we choose the
> latter, even fiscal 
> conservatives know that someday the country has to
> pay the bill or go 
> bankrupt.
> We start to disagree when it comes to how the money
> is raised to pay the 
> bill.
> 
> Politicians find them themselves so focused on
> re-elections, we wind up with 
> an inefficient hodgepodge of anti productive money
> raising taxes.  Our 
> friends like Steve are for our spending lots of
> money on defense while 
> latching on to the "It is your money so the
> government should give your 
> taxes back to you"  Of course it is also your debt
> so somehow you have to 
> pay for it.  If not by income taxes, the anti-income
> tax side will come up 
> with another tax.  Guess what it will be.
> 
> "Value added".  That spin means "national sales
> tax".  So here is one reason 
> you can give your small business friend in guiding
> his voting.  Putting 
> aside the left vs. right confrontation as to whether
> the burden should be 
> applied in an unprogressive manner such as a flat
> income tax or sales taxes, 
> contrasted to an ability to pay progressive income
> tax, let me give you an 
> example of why the sales tax backfires for small
> business.
> 
> We work hard to make a sale.  The buyer wants the
> product and works hard to 
> pay for it.  After financial sweating on both sides,
> cumulating in the sale, 
> the discovery of an additional cost, the sales tax,
> can kill the sale. If 
> you want to slow small business, the addition of
> taxes at this level, is the 
> right way to go.  Not only does the sales tax
> solution slow small business, 
> it is inefficient.  But I want to be positive and
> productive so let me tell 
> you the real answer that I have come to from my
> behind the scenes dealings 
> with the state of California and NY sales tax
> departments and as a 
> management consultant for the NY Thruway where the
> tax burden is spread out 
> in still another inefficient form of tolls.
> 
> Not only does the sales tax solution slow small
> business sales but it places 
> another charge on small business in that small
> business has to be an 
> uncompensated agent to collect, keep records and
> forward sales tax monies. 
> That is quite an unproductive expense.
> 
> In addition, the cost of raising additional money to
> run the government via 
> sales taxes, tolls and endless other misc. taxes,
> results in tremendous 
> multiple  government agencies that are so costly to
> operate and enforce that 
> what is leftover, makes them inefficient ways to
> raise money.  A single 
> government agency to pay for those government
> expenses that everyone agrees 
> on, such as war, would be much more efficient than
> many agencies all trying 
> to do the same thing.
> 
> The tax solution is obvious.  Kill the gas tax,
> sales taxes, tolls and 
> almost all other tax collections that require
> separate tax agencies. 
> Substitute one progressively fair, fully enforced,
> income tax, big enough to 
> make up for the shortfalls from all the other
> inefficient tax collecting 
> agencies.  The resulting efficiency will result in
> the total tax that the 
> peoples pay, being much lower.    While in this
> instance, Kerry is more 
> likely to lean in this direction, historically it
> has not been an exclusive 
> democrat leaning.  Republican president Eisenhower
> fought for the 
> progressive income tax as the way to pay for
> government and the people were 
> not politically at each others throats and the
> economy was more comfortable 
> than it is today.  .
> 
> There are more reasons to give your friend such as;
> if you really want to 
> cut taxes to stimulate the economy, cut payroll
> taxes (which are more 
> uncompensated, unproductive assignments for small
> business and unfair high % 
> taking away of weekly take home pay from low end
> wage earners) instead of 
> doing away with the tax on billionaires being able
> to pass on wealth (which 
> will lead to the country being even more divided
> than you are witnessing 
> today).
> 
> I agree with Brad, if we do not get rid of the
> terrorists, everything else 
> will be academic.  We just do not agree on who the
> real terrorists are.
> 
> stan/gbi
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P&M Beals" <beals at rci.rutgers.edu>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:19 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] politics- why should small
> business owners vote 
> forKerry ?
> 
> 
> > Stan,  You are a smart guy & a business owner. I
> have my arguments about
> > voting for Kerry because of the last 4 years of
> lost jobs, denying 
> > overtime
> > to workers, the failure of tax cuts to spur the
> economy, record budget
> > deficits, record trade deficits but....
> > but when I am making a pitch to my friend whose
> husband is a small 
> > business
> > owner, I want the best pitch I can make for Kerry.
> > Will you give me a succinct argument for a
> business owner friend who may 
> > be
> > persuadable?
> > 
> 
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