[Rhodes22-list] politics- Stan ought to tell Steve why

Michael Meltzer mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
Mon Oct 25 23:51:11 EDT 2004 

ha, I in the city right now, was he for 911 and the blackout, and very 
mush have the "bulleye" on the back feeling for everything else, for 
what it worth, what pisses me off, the the same "fly over" people who do 
not come to nyc because they worth that they are a traget.

MJM

brad haslett wrote:

>MJM.
>
>Fan and I are among the stupid people with combined
>W2's exceeding 200K.  There is not a damn thing we can
>do about it.  We qualify for nothing, don't get the
>full deduction for anything, and fully expect our
>Social Security benefits to be cut because we won't
>pass the "means" test.  However, let me repeat,
>however, we do invest in tax free muni's and overseas.
> Capital flows to the highest return, period. 
>Economics 101.  Most folks didn't take the course much
>less pass it.
>
>Second issue - This business that some people are
>closer to 9/11 than others because of physical
>proximity really pisses me off.  Kiss us people in the
>"flyover states" off at your own peril.  Do you
>remember the Electoral College from 8th grade civics
>class?  It was an attack on the nation. NYC is not the
>center of the universe nor the great United States of
>America!
>
>Brad Haslett
>"CoraShen"
>
>
>--- Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
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>>I waiting for someone to point out the obvious here,
>>the people who make 
>>more that 200,000 will never pay more, they just
>>reconfigure their 
>>income so it not taxable(small bisques anyone), or
>>move it offshore, or 
>>pay an account. Income tax these days is a w2 tax,
>>at 200,000 is not w2 
>>so much any more and is most cases bright people.
>>BTW that is what 
>>pisses me off for some of kerry subpart, they claim
>>they are happy to 
>>pay higher taxes when they know how to avoid them.
>>
>>MJM
>>
>>
>>ed kroposki wrote:
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>>>Stan,
>>>
>>>Obviously, Steve has not read your past emails
>>>      
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>>about General Boats not being
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>>>a moneymaking business.  Just tell Steve that since
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>>you do not make any
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>>>money you do not pay any taxes, so taxes are not a
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>>concern to you.  If Kerry
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>>>raises taxes and you pay nothing they are only
>>>      
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>>going to increase to nothing.
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>>>Surely, Steve has been on this list long enough to
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>>know that.
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>>>I believe that Rummy was grousing the last time you
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>>brought this up.  
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>>>Ed K
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>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>      
>>>
>>Behalf Of stan
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>>>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:42 PM
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] politics- why should
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>>small business
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>>>ownersvotefor Kerry ?
>>>
>>>Phyllis,
>>>
>>>Steve knows how to get me going - stand by.
>>>
>>>Tomorrow you will have just one of many lines of
>>>      
>>>
>>reasoning that will give 
>>    
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>>>you some solid ammo. for your crusade.
>>>
>>>stan/gbi
>>>
>>>Steve, here I was waiting for your response to my
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>>stem cell piece and all I 
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>>>get is a whimper riding on Phyllis's train.
>>>
>>>stan/gbi
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>      
>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>>>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] politics- why should
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>>small business owners 
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>>>votefor Kerry ?
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
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>>>>Yeah, Stan. Tell us how you are for more taxes and
>>>>        
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>>are
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>>>>so deperatly wanting to pay more under Kerry. 
>>>>        
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>>Tell us
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>>>>how you don't know the best way to spend your own
>>>>money and how Uncle Sam can do a better job than
>>>>        
>>>>
>>you.
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>>>>Sorry, Stan; the below kind of crack me up since
>>>>        
>>>>
>>you
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>>>>have to be willing to pay more taxes to support
>>>>        
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>>Kerry.
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>>>>Go ahead and explain how Clinton tax & spend
>>>>        
>>>>
>>policies
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>>>>lead us into the recession.  BTW: tell us how you
>>>>        
>>>>
>>like
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>>>>to pay overtime to your employee and that you
>>>>        
>>>>
>>wouldn't
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>>>>dream of doing like Wal-mart and not class an
>>>>        
>>>>
>>employee
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>>>>properily so as not to have to pay them.  After
>>>>        
>>>>
>>all,
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>>>>you running an corperate welfare program and you
>>>>actually work for your employees - Right?  If you
>>>>        
>>>>
>>have
>>    
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>>>>any profit at the end of a year - you donate it to
>>>>        
>>>>
>>the
>>    
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>>>>poor - Right? :-)
>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- P&M Beals <beals at rci.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>Stan,  You are a smart guy & a business owner. I
>>>>>have my arguments about
>>>>>voting for Kerry because of the last 4 years of
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>lost
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>>>>>jobs, denying overtime
>>>>>to workers, the failure of tax cuts to spur the
>>>>>economy, record budget
>>>>>deficits, record trade deficits but....
>>>>>but when I am making a pitch to my friend whose
>>>>>husband is a small business
>>>>>owner, I want the best pitch I can make for
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>Kerry.
>>    
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>>>>>Will you give me a succinct argument for a
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>business
>>    
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>>>>>owner friend who may be
>>>>>persuadable?
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, while Bush and friends may think there is a
>>>>>chance of NJ going in
>>>>>their direction it won't be so. So not living in
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>>>>>
>>a
>>    
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>>>>>battleground state I have
>>>>>been doing what  I can to help in other states by
>>>>>supporting America Coming
>>>>>Together for Victory.  They still need help if
>>>>>anyone is feeling the
>>>>>desperate need to do more.
>>>>>
>>>>>It doesn't give me much comfort that I protested
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>the
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>>>>>war in Iraq before it
>>>>>ever got started, and it won't give me much
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>comfort
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>>>>>to say I tried to elect
>>>>>Kerry, but for now that is all I've got to hang
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>on
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>>>>>to.
>>>>>
>>>>>In disbelief that so many Americans don't see the
>>>>>writing on the wall  this
>>>>>is from Phyllis in NJ
>>>>>(who has had 5 sails aboard Whisper since Sept.
>>>>>15....a learning process-
>>>>>more on that another time).
>>>>>
>>>>>          
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