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[Bill Effros]

Steve,

Are you getting a lot of work done in your government job today?

Bill Effros


> To many vets are speaking against Kerry.  He should
> release his miltery records like Bush did.  What is he
> hiding.  If you really looks at Bush militay record,
> there is nothing bad there at all.  Of course, we
> can't see Kerry record; he won't release them.
>
> The only thing this country did wrong in Viet Nam is
> we did not Win the War.  Actually, we did not try to
> win the war.  We had the technology, but because of
> people like John Kerry; we did not have the will power
> to actually do what it took to win the war.  That is a
> Tragedy.
>
> This election is all about the war.  Who will defend
> this nation and protect all our families; your & mine.
>  We know Bush will; we have nothing that shows us that
> Kerry will.  And again, he has voted against every
> major weapons system that protects our freedom.  This
> is just not acceptable in a leader.  Our military must
> be the strongest military in the world.  To promote
> liberity & freedom for all the nations to look to as
> an example.  We must help people and nations become
> free.  It would be unamerican not too!
>
> Steve
>
>
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is fairly obvious you don't understand how medals
>> are awarded. See
>> Rummy's previous post.
>>
>> Having a father that spent two tours in Viet Nam and
>> served in the Navy for
>> 30 years; I can tell you that swift boats were about
>> the most dangerous duty
>> facing our Navy. If you weren't a Navy pilot, SEAL
>> or on a swift boat you
>> never made it close to enemy lines. He signed up for
>> this duty. I don't
>> fault Bush for serving in the National Guard but
>> lets face it; he got in the
>> National Guard due to family favors. Say what you
>> want about Kerry but if
>> you want to compare what happened way back then
>> Kerry wins hands down.
>>
>> Personally I don't think this should be the focus of
>> this election. Many of
>> the bills that Kerry voted against had layers of
>> pork fat wrapped around
>> them.  He was not against every weapon you
>> mentioned. Each of these bills
>> had other things attached to them. We have not had a
>> Senator voted president
>> in years. This is one of the primary reasons. One
>> could also say that people
>> that voted yes for every weapons bill voted yes on
>> all of the waste that was
>> included.
>>
>> So lets move forward from the 60s to the 70s. Yes
>> Kerry spoke out against
>> Viet Nam. I thought the war was a tragic waste of
>> human life and in the end
>> a miserable failure. Kerry decided to serve his
>> country further in politics.
>> What did Bush do? Best I can tell he partied a
>> bunch, snorted cocaine, and
>> enjoyed the high life. Heck it sounds fun to me but
>> not exactly a great
>> track record for a future president.
>>
>> So lets move forward to the 80s. Kerry continued to
>> serve in politics while
>> Bush ran more than one company into the ground.
>> Daddy's connections came in
>> handy again and he some how came out of it smelling
>> like a rose. Didn't he
>> also own a baseball team, let's face it the Rangers
>> sucked but i guess I
>> can't blame Bush for that. The point is he still did
>> nothing in my eyes to
>> prepare him for president.
>>
>> The 90s brough Bush into the political ring. I
>> didn't live in Texas but
>> depending upon who you ask he either did a great job
>> or he sucked.
>>
>> There are at least two sides to every story. An
>> astute voter will take the
>> time to try to figure out the issues instead of just
>> saying all liberals are
>> cowards and that anyone against the war in Iraq is a
>> liberal and by
>> definition a coward. I realize the issues are
>> complex and i don't expect all
>> to be able to understand them.
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator See
>> All
>> >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
>> >
>> >No, it doesn't PO me. Kerry brought up the war as
>> his
>> >one thing that he did that people should look to in
>> >his for why he should be President.  But there are
>> >more people disbuting his claims than that hand
>> full
>> >that he carry around with him. Kerry only has a
>> proven
>> >record of protesting a war; NOT fighting it.
>> Voting
>> >against every major weapon systems that protect
>> your
>> >freedom & mine.  Voting aginst funding the CIA.
>> >Voting against funding our troops in time of War.
>> >Those are facts that cannot be disbuted.
>> >
>> >Bush record is one of moral leadership.  He has
>> >restored this country to one that American can be
>> >proud of.  He fare on his policies.  And even
>> passed
>> >the biggest thing that Democrats have been
>> promissing
>> >the people for decades, a precription drug benefit
>> on
>> >Medicare.  These are facts.
>> >
>> >What has Kerry done to help this country? I will
>> give
>> >you the answer; there nothing he can point to.
>> That's
>> >why he keep bring up Vietnam.
>> >Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >--- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm sure you could find a group of veterans to
>> > > denounce Bush too, but he
>> > > wasn't over there.
>> > >
>> > > Actually, I don't care about Bush being missing
>> in
>> > > Alabama any more than I
>> > > do about Kerry's service record.  I don't think
>> what
>> > > these guys did 30 years
>> > > ago matters a lick.  I don't want to be judged
>> by
>> > > decisions I made in my
>> > > 20s, and that was only 10 years ago!
>> > >
>> > > I am certainly not knowledgeable about Kerry's
>> > > career in the Senate.  But,
>> > > his constituents thought he was doing enough to
>> keep
>> > > electing him, so he
>> > > must have been doing a good job, in their eyes.
>> > >
>> > > I think you've bought into the myth that
>> Democrats
>> > > want to be soft on
>> > > terrorists.  I don't think that holds water.  I
>> > > voted for Bush the first
>> > > time around partially because I thought Clinton
>> was
>> > > spending too much time
>> > > policing other countries.  How would a
>> Democratic
>> > > president handle the
>> > > post-9/11 world?  None of us can really say.
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, my main point was that asking veterans
>> to
>> > > defend their medals is a
>> > > bad precedent.  Really bad.  Think about it in
>> the
>> > > context of a WWII
>> > > veteran.  Doesn't it piss you off?
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> > > Behalf Of Steve
>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:45 PM
>> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator
>> See
>> > > All
>> > >
>> > > Ben
>> > > Why are all those veterans saying that Kerry did
>> not
>> > > earn them.  Also, not the swift boat but a whole
>> new
>> > > group are having a get together this weekend to
>> > > denounce Kerry.
>> > >
>> > > Kerry has done nothing is his whole career as a
>> > > senator to help protect this country.  He spent
>> more
>> > > time protesting the war than he did fighting in
>> it.
>> > > He have voted against every major weapons
>> progran
>> > > that
>> > > has made this country a superpower over the last
>> 20
>> > > years.
>> > >
>> > > Bottom line, the man cannot be trusted to defend
>> > > this
>> > > country against terrorests or rouge nations.
>> And
>> > > please keep in mind, the terrorist hate
>> democrats
>> > > just
>> > > as much as republicans.
>> > > Steve
>> > >
>> > > --- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > C'mon Steve, surely we're not going to demand
>> that
>> > > > veterans prove that they
>> > > > deserve the medals that they were issued --
>> even
>> > > > veterans who don't have the
>> > > > sense to stay out of politics.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> > > > Behalf Of Steve
>> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:48 AM
>> > > > To: stan; The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
>> Administrator
>> > > See
>> > > > All
>> > > >
>> > > > Stan
>> > > > All Kerry did in the war was film himself.
>> You
>> > > have
>> > > > no proof that he earn even one of his medals.
>> > > There
>> > > > are more people saying he was a joke in the
>> war
>> > > than
>> > > > saying he did anything heroic.
>> > > >
>> > > > Kerry has voted against everything and every
>> > > weapon
>> > > > system that protect this country.  Voted
>> against
>> > > > funding the CIA.  There is apsolutly no common
>> > > sence
>> > > > that were evern suggust that he has the brains
>> > > > necessary to run this country.  Again, he has
>> > > voted
>> > > > against everything that give liberal
>> democrates
>> > > the
>> > > > freedom to be stupid, be on welfare and lazy.
>> YOu
>> > > > have the freedom to be that way thanks to our
>> > > > military.  Luckly, there our smarter people in
>> > > > Congress that did not side with Kerry which
>> allows
>> > > > us
>> > > > to fund our military so that we can remain the
>> > > sole
>> > > > Superpower.  Without this, democrats would
>> lose
>> > > > welfare.
>> > > > Steve
>> > > > --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Point of Information::
>> > > > >
>> > > > > When bills or resolutions, etc are up for
>> votes
>> > > in
>> > > > > congress, riders can be
>> > > > > attached forcing a thinking lawmaker's
>> desire to
>> > > > > vote one way on an issue,
>> > > > > to be changed because he or she is not in
>> favor
>> > > of
>> > > > > the rider. So congress
>> > > > > people do vote one way and then are forced
>> to
>> > > > "flip
>> > > > > flop" on the same issue
>> > > > > when it is effectively changed by the rider.
>> > > The
>> > > > > Republican side of the
>> > > > > isle does it - even vp Cheney.  Not
>> uncommon.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > However, the Republicans are brilliant.
>> They
>> > > know
>> > > > > everyone but the simple
>> > > > > folk understand this so they make flip flop
>> a
>> > > > > campaign theme.  Just like the
>> > > > > war record issue were they know everyone but
>> the
>> > > > > simple folks understand
>> > > > > Bush bought his way out of harm's way while
>> > > Kerry
>> > > > > faced the bullets and then
>> > > > > decided the cause was a mistake and flipped
>> > > > flopped
>> > > > > over it, so they make
>> > > > > use of the left behind group to make the two
>> war
>> > > > > records a campaign issue.
>> > > > > (not so sure they will get away  with it in
>> this
>> > > > > instance - too obvious,
>> > > > > even to the blindly faithful  - plus many
>> > > > > Republicans like John McCain,
>> > > > > can't stomach it .)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I still think money, being the bottom line
>> in
>> > > our
>> > > > > society, makes betting the
>> > > > > way for the List to handle problem members.
>> > > Let's
>> > > > > bet.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > For instance we could bet on the sincerity
>> of
>> > > > those
>> > > > > in favor this war. If
>> > > > > they are willing to join a "Lincoln" like
>> > > brigade
>> > > > to
>> > > > > fight terrorists in
>> > > > > Iraq tomorrow, they win.  (The list could
>> chip
>> > > in
>> > > > > and pay their expenses
>> > > > > from a standing pot)  If they lose they have
>> to
>> > > > add
>> > > > > to the List's betting
>> > > > > pot.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And we could bet on the factual "flip flop"
>> > > > charges
>> > > > > by having those like
>> > > > > Bush and Steve, who accuse Kerry of this
>> crime,
>> > > > vs.
>> > > > > those like myself who
>> > > > > say that if you count Bush's campaign
>> promises
>> > > and
>> > > > > career remarks, he is the
>> > > > > "flip flopper" winner, contribute to the pot
>> -
>> > > > have
>> > > > > the pot pay for an
>> > > > > independent accounting and the balance go to
>> the
>> > > > > winner.   That would be the
>> > > > > civilized way to go.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So my suggestion is not to impose censorship
>> but
>> > > > to
>> > > > > refine the rules to:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If you have an opinion, it has to proceed
>> with a
>> > > > > remark like, " in my humble
>> > > > > opinion, you are an asshole".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > and statements proclaimed as factual, be
>> > > > accompanied
>> > > > > by contributions to the
>> > > > > betting pool,  like  " Kerry is the bigger
>> flip
>> > > > > flopper and the facts will
>> > > > > prove that so here is my contribution to the
>> > > > betting
>> > > > > pool"   And the paid
>> > > > > factual team goes to work and the winner
>> takes
>> > > > what
>> > > > > is left in the pool.  I
>> > > > > bet the compilation of the verifiable facts
>> > > could
>> > > > be
>> > > > > sold to the media or
>> > > > > published and the List could eventually make
>> a
>> > > > > fortune.  Bill will get us a
>> > > > > publisher.and an advance.  Let's start
>> betting
>> > > and
>> > > > > put our money where our
>> > > > > loose tongues are. .
>> > > > >
>> > > > > An aside: Bush lost the election by a
>> > > substantial
>> > > > > number of the popular
>> > > > > vote.  I would not be so quick in ceding the
>> > > > > election to him this time.
>> > > > > Those who understand and quiver (a cowards
>> > > opinion
>> > > > > and so labeled) at where
>> > > > > he is leading the country tend to be quieter
>> > > than
>> > > > > those in favor.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Of course there are exceptions to those from
>> the
>> > > > > left being "quieter". Wanna
>> > > > > bet.
>> > > > > .
>> > > > > stan/gbi
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> > > > > To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:45 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
>> Administrator
>> > > > See
>> > > > > All
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Wally,
>> > > > > > You see, Steve is an analyst for the
>> > > government.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hope that clears things
>> > > > > > up.
>> > > > > > Slim
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
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