[Rhodes22-list] What do you do with monsters?

[Steve]

yeah, we will always disgree.  But see below anyway:

--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Very good Steve, there may be more to you than meets
> the eye! ;-) Why 
> haven't you posted in this manner previously?
> 
> Women's right  - I am talking about abortion
> 
I am against abortion myself.  But I am a man this
this is a women thing.  I believe that women are smart
enough to make this decision on thier own.  And us men
should not be telling them what to do as it relates to
this.  Unless of course a women is wanting to have an
abortion and the father really want the child himself.
 Therefore, his say must be brought into the equation.
 Also, Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned in my
lifetime.  Women will always have the right to make
medical decision at it relates to thier bodies.  Same
as we men do.

> Pork - It doesn't sound like you understand what is
> meant by pork
> 
Business pork stimilates the economy.  Welfare pork
does not.  

> Medical subsidy - This is a bad idea, we just need
> to charge the rest of the 
> world more! Even developed countries that can afford
> to pay more get drugs 
> cheaper than we do. 

US companies charge different countries different
prices based on that country resources.  Again, what
is driving US prices up is that we are paying for the
R&D.  The subsidies will spread that out to all the
taxpayers making it easier & cheaper for the elderly
to buy thier drugs.  Beside, the democrats should be
for this - it's allowed the creation of a new welfare
program.  Something the Democrates have promised for
decades but you know who Delivered (it was Bush:-)


Charitable organizations can
> take care of the needy over 
> seas. I am surprised you are for this! You are
> against providing hand outs 
> in our country yet you care about the rest of the
> world?
> 
The reason I am against it in this country is the
simple fact that American live in the greatest country
in the world.  90% of the time it is just plain
lazyness that keep people on welfare.  Its a simple
fact.  There is just no reason behind people being on
& staying on welfare is this country.  People can make
a living for themselves here.  It does require work.
May not be a good job.  May have to get dirty.  But
work is work.  Nothing wrong with having to work for a
living.  I DO IT; so can everyone else!!!!!!!!!

As for the rest of the world; we must assist other
countries.  Example, Africa and the aids problem.  You
don't want all those deseases/virus spreading over
here.  We provide medicine to the countries but we
also provide doctors, researchers, analysts to come up
with solutions for combating the problems.  That way,
if the problems make it into the USA; we already have
a solution.  Or at least that the thinking behind it. 
It would be nice if someone would come up with a
solution for aids.  But I know the USA is working on
it.

> Beholden to oil companies - Think of how we work
> with Saudis, they support 
> terror yet they are still our buds. Think attacking
> Iraq. There are worse 
> examples of terror but these countries do not have
> oil so we don't care.
> 
We do not fight over oil.  Irag had to be dealt with. 
Saudis are making new reforms every day.  Look at
Libia for another example.  Iran may have to be next
on our list.  If a countries support terror; they need
to know they are on our list.  Remember, we are
fighting a war on terror.  Whereever it is and thier
are more fronts than just Afgan & Iraq.


> Judges and our rights - Think Patriot Act, we needed
> something passed but 
> this was not the answer. The government is gaining
> access to things they 
> have no business in. Think wire taps without
> warrants as a start. Access to 
> our public library records. This all leads down a
> very slippery slope. And 
> again think of women's rights.
> 
The Patriot Act was a first step and a hurried one due
to the war. It will be roll in when it need is no
longer required.  Also, if you are not a terrorist,
this should not be so much of a concern.  I know I
don't worry about it.  But then I am a patriotic
SOB:-) 


> Terrorism is on the rise! Heck even FOX has reported
> all the terror attacks 
> going on. You say we don't want to live like isreal.
> it seems to me that 
> Isreal has been quite agressive on fighting terror.
> I don't think their 
> tactics have worked very well at all. We can't build
> a giant fence around 
> our whole country. Terror attacks are up world wide.
> 
The more they show themselfs, the easier it is for
countries to root it out.  We can't roll over, and let
them go unchecked.  There must be actions, to counter
thier actions.  Remember, you can't talk to a
terrorist.  The only solution is to kill them.  There
is no other way; no matter what Kerry say.  They strap
bomb to themselves and blow up civilize people.  There
no talking to a person in that mineset.  A bullet in
the head; solve the problem.  I know it tough for
liberals to think this way; but it really is the only
solution.   



> We should worry less about leading the world and
> more about solving are own 
> problems. Our deficit is not due to welfare. Wasn't
> Clinton the guy that 
> signed the bill leading to a huge reduction in
> welfare? 

No it wasn't.  However, Clinton did sign a lot of
bills that weaken our military and made us volumable
to these attacks.  Of course, because of his actions,
we are paying a lot more in a shorter period of time
to build our military back up so as to defend our
nation.  However, what you are referring to is the
entitlement programs that he converted to Block
Grants.  The money is all still there and still goes
to the same welfare program; just under a different
name.  They didn't call Clinton - Slick Willy for
nothing, you know.  


Incomes in America 
> are dropping for the first time in history and we
> will go broke trying to 
> save the world. I never understand that those who
> seem the most against 
> lending a hand in the US are the biggest supporters
> of trying to lead the 
> world. I just don't get it.
> 
It is only the recession that is affecting those
numbers.  Remember, in the private sector, if you are
NOT making money for the company you are working for -
YOU ARE NOT NEEDED and subject to be outsourced.  Just
make sure you are working and being an asset to the
company you are working for.  Conpanies do NOT do away
with its assets - BUT THE DEAD WOOD IS ELIMINATED ON A
REGULAR BASIS!!!!!!!!!


> So Steve I guess we just disagree! At least you
> tried to explain your self 
> without shouting insults!
> 
Well, it Friday, Wally.  I an gennerally in a better
mood on Fridays:-)  Later, I got meeting the rest of
the day.  
Steve



> Wally
> 
> 
> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with
> monsters?
> >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >See below.  I will write inside message:
> >
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know why I will bother but I will give
> it a
> > > shot. Keep in mind I am
> > > still not sure if I will vote for Kerry or go
> > > Libertarian. I have voted
> > > thrid party several times in the past and most
> > > likely will do so this time.
> > >
> > > Typically our country runs better with split
> > > congress and executive branch
> > > (check history books for this fact)
> > >
> > > He would most likely reign in republican pork
> > >
> >So called republican port allow companies to
> produce
> >goods or services with a higher profit margin.  The
> >higher the profit margin, the more workers the
> >companies will need to hire to produce more of the
> >goods & services to maintain its market share.
> >
> > > He would not pass a subsidy for drug companies
> >
> >R&D is the most expensive component of drugs.  US
> drug
> >companies lead the world in new chemical compounds
> >that have lead to the outpatient medical practice
> that
> >we see today.  Due to all the R&D, most inpatient
> >stays at a hospital are overnight.  This R&D is
> being
> >passed on to US citizens which is why we pay higher
> >prices for our drugs here in the US as oppose to
> other
> >countries where its citizens cannot afford them. 
> This
> >is why the Bush administration went with the
> subidies
> >for drug companies in the Medicare PD plan so as to
> >spread the costs out to all the taxpayers whereas
> the
> >elderly can buy thier drugs at a lower cost.
> > >
> > > He would do a better job protecting our
> environment
> > >
> >I will give you this one but here is my point. 
> There
> >are many enviromental laws already on the books. 
> And
> >thier not going away.  Some have been lossen up
> while
> >this country pulls out of this recession but the
> basic
> >principles are still there.  Again, companies must
> >make money in order to hire new workers.  During a
> >recession, if you lossen up enviroment rules,
> >companies can adjust its spending to focus on its
> core
> >reason for being which is to manufacture its goods
> or
> >services which lead to new hiring.
> >
> > > He would not be beholding to oil companies
> > >
> >I have seen nothing that show that Bush is beholden
> to
> >oil companies.  All his policies have been equal to
> >all player to get this country back on its feet.
> >Example, the tariffs on steel.  Steel workers are
> >union workers which are usually democrats.  Bush is
> >pretty fair in my opinion.
> >
> > > He would do a better job supporting development
> of
> > > alternative fuels
> > >
> >Bush is supporting development of alternative
> fuels.
> >He have put more taxpayers money into this than
> >Clinton did.  But one thing to keep in mind as it
> >relates to this, until Americans decide to enbrace
> >alternative fuels, they will keep buying these gas
> >gussiling SUV.  Yes, I own a Big Chevy gas drinking
> >truck but most of the democrates I work with own
> them
> >too.  Note: you don't see John Kerry driving
> >alternative fuel car!
> >
> > > Support the scientific community and medical
> > > research
> > >
> >I don't know why you quote this one due to Bush has
> >put NASA into a mode to try and put a man on Mars.
> >NASA is the backbone for scientific inventsions.
> >Things that NASA invents works it way down into our
> >everyday life.  Stem cell research is funded by the
> >government but under moral principles.  Private
> sector
> >stem cell research is not governer or regulated.
> >
> > > Protect womens rights
> > >
> >Bush protects all womens rights.  He has done
> nothing
> >that would suggust otherwise.
> >
> > > He will appoint judges that respect the
> constitution
> > > and our rights.
> > >
> >I strongly disagree here.  Bush is a strong
> supporter
> >of the constitution.  If you look at all the cases
> of
> >judges that are NOT following the
> constitution;those
> >are liberal judges NOT conservative ones.  I have
> yet
> >to see a conservative judge sway from the written
> law.
> >  But there are many examples of liberal judes that
> >pass down rulings that are is sharp contrast to
> what
> >the law actually says.
> >
> >
> > > He will not confuse Al Queda with Saddam.
> > >
> >The war on terror has many fronts.  Al Queda &
> >Afganisam was the 1st front.  Saddam would not
> comply
> >with the UN.  The UN was being made to look like a
> >joke.  14 resolutions place on him & he still would
> >not comply.  The problem had to be dealt with.  The
> >Iraq people were being brutalize & killed and it
> >needed to stop. The world knew he had WMD; he used
> >them on his own people.  What he did with them, I
> >don't know.  But we do keep finding all kinds of
> stuff
> >out in the deasert.  For us to win the war on
> terror,
> >(remember we don't want to have to live like
> Israeli
> >where we have bombing in our streets everyday.  We
> >must take the fight to them.  If countries our
> >harboring terrorists, then those countries must be
> >dealt with so that the world know that this is NOT
> >acceptable behavior.
> >
> > > I realize all of the above is just speculation
> but
> > > based on what I have seen
> > > from Bush i would be willing to take my chances
> with
> > > just about anybody. He
> > > is spending our money like a drunken sailor.
> >
> >The US is the riches country on the plantet.  We
> must
> >step up to the plate and lead.  If we don't set an
> >example, Who Will?  Remember, this so called
> deficit
> >could be eliminated in a couple years if we reduced
> >walfare programs.  We have to many welfare programs
> >and they do nothing to promote new jobs and/or
> >stimulate the economy.  US companies do that!
> >
> >The
> > > best I can tell terrorism
> > > is on the rise world wide. I can't really blame
> Bush
> > > for that but I don't
> > > think our foreign policy has helped the
> situation.
> > > If anything he has made
> > > it worse.
> > >
> >Terrorism is not on the rise.  We are eliminating
> it.
> >We are killing them dead everyday.  What you are
> >seeing on the liberal media is the media trying to
> >paint a pictures worst than what it is.  Remember,
> >ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN are all Liberal Medias and they
> >promote Kerry.  YOu will never see anything on them
> >that show Bush in a good light.  It won't happen.
> >
> > > I am wondering if you can act like a big boy and
> > > respond without resorting
> > > to abusive name calling.
> > >
> >How was this?????????
> >
> >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
> with
> > > monsters?
> > > >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Chris
> > > >Check the polls.  Of course you will find out
> for
> > > sure
> > > >come November.  BTW: I have yet to see one good
> > > >argument from all you liberals on what Kerry
> can do
> > > >good for this country.  All I keep hearing is
> Bush
> > > >bashing.  Kerry has no good record to talk
> about.
> > > >
> > > >Again, he has voted against every major weapons
> > > system
> > > >that keep this country free.  Explain
> > > that!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > >  The strength of your logic and
> comprehension of
> > > the
> > > > > constitution are in
> > > > > inverse proportion to the depth of your name
> > > > > calling.  There is no way that
> > > > > you represent the mainstream of America or
> even
> > > the
> > > > > Republican party.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris G.
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
> with
> > > > > monsters?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Wally / Eric
> > > > > >For the record, I question anyone
> patriotism
> > > when
> > > > > all
> > > > > >they do is talk liberial crap.  I question
> John
> > > > > Kerry
> > > > > >patriotism, I question his honor, and I
> > > question
> > > > > his
> > > > > >seft serving attitude.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When it time to fight; this country has to
> > > LEAD.
> > > > > And
> > > > > >I question liberal democrats patriotism for
> not
> > > > > >knowing the need to FIGHT FOR FREEDOM.  YES
> YOU
> > > ARE
> > > > > >COWARDS.  AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT
> FOR
> > > THIS
> > > > > >COUNTRY; GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You democrats do nothing to help this
> country.
> > > You
> > > > > >are a drain on it resources.  YOu wonder
> why
> > > > > Companies
> > > > > >out source jobs to other countries; IT'S
> > > BECAUSE OF
> > > > > >ALL THE LAZY ASS DEMOCRATS THAT WON'T PUT
> IN A
> > > HARD
> > > > > >DAY WORK FOR THEIR PAYCHECK.  Companies are
> not
> > > a
> > > > > >welfare program.  Work for you paycheck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This election is all about the WAR.  Who
> will
> > > > > defend
> > > > > >this country against all the terrorists who
> are
> > > > > >willing to kill democrats and republicans &
> > > > > >independents.  The answere is George W.
> Bush.
> > > John
> > > > > >Kerry is a flip flop, can't decide what
> side of
> > > the
> > > > > >fence he is on, say whatever the crowd
> whats -
> > > > > LIBERAL
> > > > > >DEMOCRAT.   John Kerry CANNOT be trusted to
> > > defend
> > > > > >this country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >As far as any of you people not liking what
> I
> > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > >say about liberal democrats - KISS MY
> COUNTRY
> > > > > >ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When it come to my family life, I know that
> > > George
> > > > > W.
> > > > > >Bush will do what is necessary to defend
> this
> > > > > country.
> > > > > > Which may mean invade Iran, North Korea
> and
> > > any
> > > > > other
> > > > > >country that posise a threat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And quit worring about out solders.  That
> are
> > > the
> > > > > best
> > > > > >fighting men in the world.  Yes, we may
> lose a
> > > few,
> > > > > >But thier fighting for liberity, freedom
> for
> > > people
> > > > > >that the rest of the world like France &
> > > Germany
> > > > > won't
> > > > > >help.  We American help; that what we do. 
> LIVE
> > > > > WITH
> > > > > >IT!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >STEVE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >PS - and if you don't like this; do the
> letter
> > > F  O
> > > > > >mean anything.  If you are a coward, learn
> to
> > > live
> > > > > >with it; or change yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Eric,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You are quite welcome. Steve has insulted
> my
> > > > > >> "liberal" family members who
> > > > > >> served as well. I have tried explaining
> to
> > > Steve
> > > > > >> that I usually am quite
> > > > > >> conservative but I was against the US
> > > invading
> > > > > Iraq
> > > > > >> when we did. I still am
> > > > > >> today. Steve thinks just because someone
> is
> > > > > against
> > > > > >> the war with Iraq they
> > > > > >> are liberal cowards. He seems to be the
> only
> > > one
> > > > > on
> > > > > >> this list who cannot
> > > > > >> communicate his view without resorting to
> > > > > insults.
> > > > > >> Some folks either don't
> > > > > >> know US history or chose to ignore it. It
> > > seems
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> me several democrats have
> > > > > >> led this nation into war/armed conflicts,
> > > think
> > > > > FDR,
> > > > > >> Truman, Kennedy,
> > > > > >> Johnson and yes even Clinton.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Wally
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >From: eric.charles.newburger at census.gov
> > > > > >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you
> do
> > > with
> > > > > >> monsters?
> > > > > >> >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:53:22 -0400
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Thank you, Wally, for your reply to
> Steve.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >A lot of my liberal family members have
> > > served
> > > > > in
> > > > > >> the military...my Father,
> > > > > >> >Step Father, Father in Law, Uncles,
> others.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >I didn't like reading words that
> impugned
> > > their
> > > > > >> honor.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >I wrote a rather uncivil reply, which
> I've
> > > kept
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> myself.  I much prefer
> > > > > >> >Wally's.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Eric Newburger
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
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