[Rhodes22-list] What do you do with monsters?
Steve Alm
salm at mn.rr.com
Fri Sep 10 16:06:33 EDT 2004
Wow, Steve, your last few posts are so calm and civil that I'm changing my
ways and voting Bush/Cheney! I'm gonna get myself off welfare and start
paying taxes. FOUR MORE YEARS!!! 8-)
Slim
P.S. One of the military packages that Kerry voted against was the Apache
helicopters. You know, the ones that keep crashing.
On 9/10/04 11:52 AM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> yeah, we will always disgree. But see below anyway:
>
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Very good Steve, there may be more to you than meets
>> the eye! ;-) Why
>> haven't you posted in this manner previously?
>>
>> Women's right - I am talking about abortion
>>
> I am against abortion myself. But I am a man this
> this is a women thing. I believe that women are smart
> enough to make this decision on thier own. And us men
> should not be telling them what to do as it relates to
> this. Unless of course a women is wanting to have an
> abortion and the father really want the child himself.
> Therefore, his say must be brought into the equation.
> Also, Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned in my
> lifetime. Women will always have the right to make
> medical decision at it relates to thier bodies. Same
> as we men do.
>
>> Pork - It doesn't sound like you understand what is
>> meant by pork
>>
> Business pork stimilates the economy. Welfare pork
> does not.
>
>> Medical subsidy - This is a bad idea, we just need
>> to charge the rest of the
>> world more! Even developed countries that can afford
>> to pay more get drugs
>> cheaper than we do.
>
> US companies charge different countries different
> prices based on that country resources. Again, what
> is driving US prices up is that we are paying for the
> R&D. The subsidies will spread that out to all the
> taxpayers making it easier & cheaper for the elderly
> to buy thier drugs. Beside, the democrats should be
> for this - it's allowed the creation of a new welfare
> program. Something the Democrates have promised for
> decades but you know who Delivered (it was Bush:-)
>
>
> Charitable organizations can
>> take care of the needy over
>> seas. I am surprised you are for this! You are
>> against providing hand outs
>> in our country yet you care about the rest of the
>> world?
>>
> The reason I am against it in this country is the
> simple fact that American live in the greatest country
> in the world. 90% of the time it is just plain
> lazyness that keep people on welfare. Its a simple
> fact. There is just no reason behind people being on
> & staying on welfare is this country. People can make
> a living for themselves here. It does require work.
> May not be a good job. May have to get dirty. But
> work is work. Nothing wrong with having to work for a
> living. I DO IT; so can everyone else!!!!!!!!!
>
> As for the rest of the world; we must assist other
> countries. Example, Africa and the aids problem. You
> don't want all those deseases/virus spreading over
> here. We provide medicine to the countries but we
> also provide doctors, researchers, analysts to come up
> with solutions for combating the problems. That way,
> if the problems make it into the USA; we already have
> a solution. Or at least that the thinking behind it.
> It would be nice if someone would come up with a
> solution for aids. But I know the USA is working on
> it.
>
>> Beholden to oil companies - Think of how we work
>> with Saudis, they support
>> terror yet they are still our buds. Think attacking
>> Iraq. There are worse
>> examples of terror but these countries do not have
>> oil so we don't care.
>>
> We do not fight over oil. Irag had to be dealt with.
> Saudis are making new reforms every day. Look at
> Libia for another example. Iran may have to be next
> on our list. If a countries support terror; they need
> to know they are on our list. Remember, we are
> fighting a war on terror. Whereever it is and thier
> are more fronts than just Afgan & Iraq.
>
>
>> Judges and our rights - Think Patriot Act, we needed
>> something passed but
>> this was not the answer. The government is gaining
>> access to things they
>> have no business in. Think wire taps without
>> warrants as a start. Access to
>> our public library records. This all leads down a
>> very slippery slope. And
>> again think of women's rights.
>>
> The Patriot Act was a first step and a hurried one due
> to the war. It will be roll in when it need is no
> longer required. Also, if you are not a terrorist,
> this should not be so much of a concern. I know I
> don't worry about it. But then I am a patriotic
> SOB:-)
>
>
>> Terrorism is on the rise! Heck even FOX has reported
>> all the terror attacks
>> going on. You say we don't want to live like isreal.
>> it seems to me that
>> Isreal has been quite agressive on fighting terror.
>> I don't think their
>> tactics have worked very well at all. We can't build
>> a giant fence around
>> our whole country. Terror attacks are up world wide.
>>
> The more they show themselfs, the easier it is for
> countries to root it out. We can't roll over, and let
> them go unchecked. There must be actions, to counter
> thier actions. Remember, you can't talk to a
> terrorist. The only solution is to kill them. There
> is no other way; no matter what Kerry say. They strap
> bomb to themselves and blow up civilize people. There
> no talking to a person in that mineset. A bullet in
> the head; solve the problem. I know it tough for
> liberals to think this way; but it really is the only
> solution.
>
>
>
>> We should worry less about leading the world and
>> more about solving are own
>> problems. Our deficit is not due to welfare. Wasn't
>> Clinton the guy that
>> signed the bill leading to a huge reduction in
>> welfare?
>
> No it wasn't. However, Clinton did sign a lot of
> bills that weaken our military and made us volumable
> to these attacks. Of course, because of his actions,
> we are paying a lot more in a shorter period of time
> to build our military back up so as to defend our
> nation. However, what you are referring to is the
> entitlement programs that he converted to Block
> Grants. The money is all still there and still goes
> to the same welfare program; just under a different
> name. They didn't call Clinton - Slick Willy for
> nothing, you know.
>
>
> Incomes in America
>> are dropping for the first time in history and we
>> will go broke trying to
>> save the world. I never understand that those who
>> seem the most against
>> lending a hand in the US are the biggest supporters
>> of trying to lead the
>> world. I just don't get it.
>>
> It is only the recession that is affecting those
> numbers. Remember, in the private sector, if you are
> NOT making money for the company you are working for -
> YOU ARE NOT NEEDED and subject to be outsourced. Just
> make sure you are working and being an asset to the
> company you are working for. Conpanies do NOT do away
> with its assets - BUT THE DEAD WOOD IS ELIMINATED ON A
> REGULAR BASIS!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>> So Steve I guess we just disagree! At least you
>> tried to explain your self
>> without shouting insults!
>>
> Well, it Friday, Wally. I an gennerally in a better
> mood on Fridays:-) Later, I got meeting the rest of
> the day.
> Steve
>
>
>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with
>> monsters?
>>> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>> See below. I will write inside message:
>>>
>>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know why I will bother but I will give
>> it a
>>>> shot. Keep in mind I am
>>>> still not sure if I will vote for Kerry or go
>>>> Libertarian. I have voted
>>>> thrid party several times in the past and most
>>>> likely will do so this time.
>>>>
>>>> Typically our country runs better with split
>>>> congress and executive branch
>>>> (check history books for this fact)
>>>>
>>>> He would most likely reign in republican pork
>>>>
>>> So called republican port allow companies to
>> produce
>>> goods or services with a higher profit margin. The
>>> higher the profit margin, the more workers the
>>> companies will need to hire to produce more of the
>>> goods & services to maintain its market share.
>>>
>>>> He would not pass a subsidy for drug companies
>>>
>>> R&D is the most expensive component of drugs. US
>> drug
>>> companies lead the world in new chemical compounds
>>> that have lead to the outpatient medical practice
>> that
>>> we see today. Due to all the R&D, most inpatient
>>> stays at a hospital are overnight. This R&D is
>> being
>>> passed on to US citizens which is why we pay higher
>>> prices for our drugs here in the US as oppose to
>> other
>>> countries where its citizens cannot afford them.
>> This
>>> is why the Bush administration went with the
>> subidies
>>> for drug companies in the Medicare PD plan so as to
>>> spread the costs out to all the taxpayers whereas
>> the
>>> elderly can buy thier drugs at a lower cost.
>>>>
>>>> He would do a better job protecting our
>> environment
>>>>
>>> I will give you this one but here is my point.
>> There
>>> are many enviromental laws already on the books.
>> And
>>> thier not going away. Some have been lossen up
>> while
>>> this country pulls out of this recession but the
>> basic
>>> principles are still there. Again, companies must
>>> make money in order to hire new workers. During a
>>> recession, if you lossen up enviroment rules,
>>> companies can adjust its spending to focus on its
>> core
>>> reason for being which is to manufacture its goods
>> or
>>> services which lead to new hiring.
>>>
>>>> He would not be beholding to oil companies
>>>>
>>> I have seen nothing that show that Bush is beholden
>> to
>>> oil companies. All his policies have been equal to
>>> all player to get this country back on its feet.
>>> Example, the tariffs on steel. Steel workers are
>>> union workers which are usually democrats. Bush is
>>> pretty fair in my opinion.
>>>
>>>> He would do a better job supporting development
>> of
>>>> alternative fuels
>>>>
>>> Bush is supporting development of alternative
>> fuels.
>>> He have put more taxpayers money into this than
>>> Clinton did. But one thing to keep in mind as it
>>> relates to this, until Americans decide to enbrace
>>> alternative fuels, they will keep buying these gas
>>> gussiling SUV. Yes, I own a Big Chevy gas drinking
>>> truck but most of the democrates I work with own
>> them
>>> too. Note: you don't see John Kerry driving
>>> alternative fuel car!
>>>
>>>> Support the scientific community and medical
>>>> research
>>>>
>>> I don't know why you quote this one due to Bush has
>>> put NASA into a mode to try and put a man on Mars.
>>> NASA is the backbone for scientific inventsions.
>>> Things that NASA invents works it way down into our
>>> everyday life. Stem cell research is funded by the
>>> government but under moral principles. Private
>> sector
>>> stem cell research is not governer or regulated.
>>>
>>>> Protect womens rights
>>>>
>>> Bush protects all womens rights. He has done
>> nothing
>>> that would suggust otherwise.
>>>
>>>> He will appoint judges that respect the
>> constitution
>>>> and our rights.
>>>>
>>> I strongly disagree here. Bush is a strong
>> supporter
>>> of the constitution. If you look at all the cases
>> of
>>> judges that are NOT following the
>> constitution;those
>>> are liberal judges NOT conservative ones. I have
>> yet
>>> to see a conservative judge sway from the written
>> law.
>>> But there are many examples of liberal judes that
>>> pass down rulings that are is sharp contrast to
>> what
>>> the law actually says.
>>>
>>>
>>>> He will not confuse Al Queda with Saddam.
>>>>
>>> The war on terror has many fronts. Al Queda &
>>> Afganisam was the 1st front. Saddam would not
>> comply
>>> with the UN. The UN was being made to look like a
>>> joke. 14 resolutions place on him & he still would
>>> not comply. The problem had to be dealt with. The
>>> Iraq people were being brutalize & killed and it
>>> needed to stop. The world knew he had WMD; he used
>>> them on his own people. What he did with them, I
>>> don't know. But we do keep finding all kinds of
>> stuff
>>> out in the deasert. For us to win the war on
>> terror,
>>> (remember we don't want to have to live like
>> Israeli
>>> where we have bombing in our streets everyday. We
>>> must take the fight to them. If countries our
>>> harboring terrorists, then those countries must be
>>> dealt with so that the world know that this is NOT
>>> acceptable behavior.
>>>
>>>> I realize all of the above is just speculation
>> but
>>>> based on what I have seen
>>>> from Bush i would be willing to take my chances
>> with
>>>> just about anybody. He
>>>> is spending our money like a drunken sailor.
>>>
>>> The US is the riches country on the plantet. We
>> must
>>> step up to the plate and lead. If we don't set an
>>> example, Who Will? Remember, this so called
>> deficit
>>> could be eliminated in a couple years if we reduced
>>> walfare programs. We have to many welfare programs
>>> and they do nothing to promote new jobs and/or
>>> stimulate the economy. US companies do that!
>>>
>>> The
>>>> best I can tell terrorism
>>>> is on the rise world wide. I can't really blame
>> Bush
>>>> for that but I don't
>>>> think our foreign policy has helped the
>> situation.
>>>> If anything he has made
>>>> it worse.
>>>>
>>> Terrorism is not on the rise. We are eliminating
>> it.
>>> We are killing them dead everyday. What you are
>>> seeing on the liberal media is the media trying to
>>> paint a pictures worst than what it is. Remember,
>>> ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN are all Liberal Medias and they
>>> promote Kerry. YOu will never see anything on them
>>> that show Bush in a good light. It won't happen.
>>>
>>>> I am wondering if you can act like a big boy and
>>>> respond without resorting
>>>> to abusive name calling.
>>>>
>>> How was this?????????
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
>> with
>>>> monsters?
>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> Check the polls. Of course you will find out
>> for
>>>> sure
>>>>> come November. BTW: I have yet to see one good
>>>>> argument from all you liberals on what Kerry
>> can do
>>>>> good for this country. All I keep hearing is
>> Bush
>>>>> bashing. Kerry has no good record to talk
>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, he has voted against every major weapons
>>>> system
>>>>> that keep this country free. Explain
>>>> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>> The strength of your logic and
>> comprehension of
>>>> the
>>>>>> constitution are in
>>>>>> inverse proportion to the depth of your name
>>>>>> calling. There is no way that
>>>>>> you represent the mainstream of America or
>> even
>>>> the
>>>>>> Republican party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris G.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
>> with
>>>>>> monsters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally / Eric
>>>>>>> For the record, I question anyone
>> patriotism
>>>> when
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> they do is talk liberial crap. I question
>> John
>>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>>> patriotism, I question his honor, and I
>>>> question
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> seft serving attitude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it time to fight; this country has to
>>>> LEAD.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> I question liberal democrats patriotism for
>> not
>>>>>>> knowing the need to FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. YES
>> YOU
>>>> ARE
>>>>>>> COWARDS. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT
>> FOR
>>>> THIS
>>>>>>> COUNTRY; GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You democrats do nothing to help this
>> country.
>>>> You
>>>>>>> are a drain on it resources. YOu wonder
>> why
>>>>>> Companies
>>>>>>> out source jobs to other countries; IT'S
>>>> BECAUSE OF
>>>>>>> ALL THE LAZY ASS DEMOCRATS THAT WON'T PUT
>> IN A
>>>> HARD
>>>>>>> DAY WORK FOR THEIR PAYCHECK. Companies are
>> not
>>>> a
>>>>>>> welfare program. Work for you paycheck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This election is all about the WAR. Who
>> will
>>>>>> defend
>>>>>>> this country against all the terrorists who
>> are
>>>>>>> willing to kill democrats and republicans &
>>>>>>> independents. The answere is George W.
>> Bush.
>>>> John
>>>>>>> Kerry is a flip flop, can't decide what
>> side of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> fence he is on, say whatever the crowd
>> whats -
>>>>>> LIBERAL
>>>>>>> DEMOCRAT. John Kerry CANNOT be trusted to
>>>> defend
>>>>>>> this country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as any of you people not liking what
>> I
>>>> have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> say about liberal democrats - KISS MY
>> COUNTRY
>>>>>>> ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it come to my family life, I know that
>>>> George
>>>>>> W.
>>>>>>> Bush will do what is necessary to defend
>> this
>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>> Which may mean invade Iran, North Korea
>> and
>>>> any
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> country that posise a threat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And quit worring about out solders. That
>> are
>>>> the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> fighting men in the world. Yes, we may
>> lose a
>>>> few,
>>>>>>> But thier fighting for liberity, freedom
>> for
>>>> people
>>>>>>> that the rest of the world like France &
>>>> Germany
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>> help. We American help; that what we do.
>> LIVE
>>>>>> WITH
>>>>>>> IT!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>> STEVE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS - and if you don't like this; do the
>> letter
>>>> F O
>>>>>>> mean anything. If you are a coward, learn
>> to
>>>> live
>>>>>>> with it; or change yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are quite welcome. Steve has insulted
>> my
>>>>>>>> "liberal" family members who
>>>>>>>> served as well. I have tried explaining
>> to
>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> that I usually am quite
>>>>>>>> conservative but I was against the US
>>>> invading
>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>>>>> when we did. I still am
>>>>>>>> today. Steve thinks just because someone
>> is
>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>> the war with Iraq they
>>>>>>>> are liberal cowards. He seems to be the
>> only
>>>> one
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this list who cannot
>>>>>>>> communicate his view without resorting to
>>>>>> insults.
>>>>>>>> Some folks either don't
>>>>>>>> know US history or chose to ignore it. It
>>>> seems
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> me several democrats have
>>>>>>>> led this nation into war/armed conflicts,
>>>> think
>>>>>> FDR,
>>>>>>>> Truman, Kennedy,
>>>>>>>> Johnson and yes even Clinton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: eric.charles.newburger at census.gov
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you
>> do
>>>> with
>>>>>>>> monsters?
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:53:22 -0400
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Wally, for your reply to
>> Steve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A lot of my liberal family members have
>>>> served
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the military...my Father,
>>>>>>>>> Step Father, Father in Law, Uncles,
>> others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't like reading words that
>> impugned
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> honor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wrote a rather uncivil reply, which
>> I've
>>>> kept
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> myself. I much prefer
>>>>>>>>> Wally's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eric Newburger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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