[Rhodes22-list] Outboards

Steve rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 24 06:57:43 EDT 2004 

You need to get a Hummer, Michael.  Support your local
gas station:-)
Steve


--- Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:

> I thing you are right, everyone should have a diesel
> like me :-) 30% more effectent and with my better
> proping 1/3 a gallion at hull 
> speed or 21 mile mph(flat water) BTW motor cycles
> are closer to the subject and the EPA outlawed them
> too.
> 
> MJM
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> 
> 
> > To all,
> >
> > This thread is getting almost as annoying as the
> the tank in the lazarette.
> > Its simple,  if two stroke engines are so good,
> why don't we see them in the
> > other major power/weight requirement useage -
> automobiles?   The answer is
> > they are inefficient and they pollute.
> >
> > Can we end this?  I'm sick of deleting 30 emails a
> day without reading them.
> >
> > David Walker
> > davidwalkerphotography.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> >
> >
> >> Roger
> >> 2 cycles have always been totally realiable.  You
> >> can't say that about 4 cycles. 2 cycles can be
> worked
> >> on by anybody with a screwdriver, plier and
> socket
> >> set. Again, you can't say that about 4 cycles.
> >>
> >> 4 cycles do NOT have any proven history behind
> them.
> >> Only a lot of owners taking them to the shop to
> have
> >> them worked on.
> >>
> >> 2 cycles usually only need a new spark plug every
> few
> >> years.  As for the noice, turn the radio up or
> hoist
> >> your sails.  As for the gas mileges, I only burn
> 1 six
> >> gallon tank a year.  What better mileges do I
> need.
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Bill,
> >> >
> >> > One defective engine from Nissan  has nothing
> to do
> >> > with average emissions
> >> > from 4-cycle vs. 2-cycle engines.
> >> >
> >> > Bill, for every one of your amusing anecdotes
> about
> >> > people having troubles
> >> > with their 4-cycle outboards, I can cite you
> four
> >> > other stories about
> >> > 4-cycle owners that are happy with 2X better
> fuel
> >> > economy, less noise, no
> >> > smoke, not having to mix oil with the gas, etc.
>  You
> >> > know, I've talked with
> >> > mechanics at local marinas, did a search on the
> >> > internet, looked in Consumer
> >> > Reports, looked in the Consumer Product Recall
> >> > archieves.  I can't find any
> >> > hard evidence about the problems you keep
> harping
> >> > about regarding 4-cycle
> >> > reliability.  In my FAQ which I sent to you, I
> cited
> >> > the emission &
> >> > toxicology studies that led up to the current
> >> > emssion regulations.  You
> >> > rejected it all as "glurge".  If the 4-cycle
> >> > outboards were really having
> >> > the sorts of problems you claim on a widespread
> >> > basis; then, shouldn't there
> >> > be
> >> > some hard data somewhere?  Well, now its your
> turn
> >> > sir, I challenge you
> >> > to cite us some hard data on this issue - a
> service
> >> > bulletin from one of the
> >> > outboard manufacturers, a consumer product
> safety
> >> > commision report, a
> >> > reputable survey - something other than your
> own
> >> > experience.
> >> >
> >> > By the way, even if your claims about having to
> mix
> >> > additives with 4-cycle
> >> > fuel were true, which I dispute, the 4-cycle
> engine
> >> > emission data shows it
> >> > emits about 1/10 the unburned hydrocarbons of a
> >> > 2-cycle engine.  So, even if
> >> > these additives were required in 4-cycle fuel,
> the
> >> > 4-cycle engine would
> >> > still do a much better job of incinerating them
> than
> >> > 2-cycle engines do.
> >> >
> >> > Bill, it's time to put up or shut up.  I say
> you
> >> > don't know what you are
> >> > talking about.  Show us the data to prove that
> you
> >> > do.  Until you can
> >> > show us this data, I'm going to bring this
> issue up
> >> > every time you say
> >> > anything about 2-cycle vs. 4-cycle engines.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:34 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > That's "abated breath" I hit the send key
> when
> >> > aiming for the save key.
> >> > >
> >> > > Keep us posted on the Nissan.  I don't know
> if
> >> > anyone else has a Nissan
> >> > 4-stroke.  I was considering them, also.  Is it
> >> > quiet?
> >> > >
> >> > > Roger, not to go round on this again, but my
> >> > consistent point has been
> >> > that Ron with his supposedly environmentally
> sound
> >> > engine has just dumped
> >> > more oil into the environment in 2 hours than I
> have
> >> > dumped into the
> >> > environment with my 2 stroke in 2 years.  The
> dealer
> >> > reports this was not an
> >> > isolated case.  Many people on the list with
> >> > 4-strokes are dumping oil into
> >> > their gas tanks to ensure proper lubrication of
> >> > their engines.
> >> > >
> >> > > As everyone knows, I can go off on a
> right-wing
> >> > screed on this issue, but
> >> > I am trying to restrain myself.
> >> > >
> >> > > I know everyone is trying to do the right
> thing.
> >> > Sometimes that impulse
> >> > leads to bad policy, bad laws, and bad
> decisions.
> >> > What does Ron do now?
> >> > They're not going to give him a new engine. 
> And
> >> > maybe a new one would be
> >> > just as bad as the one he's got.
> >> > >
> >> > > What do I do now?  I was thinking of getting
> a
> >> > 4-stroke, too, but I wanted
> >> > to see what happened with Ron.
> >> > >
> >> > > I WAS waiting with 'bated breath.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill Effros
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: Bill Effros
> >> > > To: Ronald Lipton ; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:21 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe it's a contraction for "abated
> breth"
> >> > 'bated breath.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill Effros
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: Ronald Lipton
> >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:09 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > For those of you waiting with baited beath
> (does
> >> > this means worms
> >> > > hanging out of your mouth?).  I ended up
> buying
> >> > the Nissan 6 four
> >> > > cycle.   I could not find a reasonably priced
> used
> >> > 2 cycle long shaft.
> >> > > The Monroe Harbormaster was very accomodating
> >> > ferrying me out
> >> > > to the boat and helping me remove the old
> engine
> >> > and install the new
> >> > > one.
> >> > >
> >> > > The story does not yet have a happy ending
> ... the
> >> > new Nissan
> >> > > is burning oil, having emptied it's resovoir
> after
> >> > about 2 hours of
> >> > > running and with a thick cloud of smoke on
> >> > startup.  I was told by
> >> > > the dealer that some of the engines "do that"
> >> > until they are broken
> >> > > in - but I am sceptical.  Hopefully I can
> keep it
> >> > running well
> >> > > enough to allow me to finish the season
> before it
> >> > is serviced, but
> >> > > I still have the outboard blues.
> >> > >
> >> > > for Stan:
> >> > >
> >> > > Go IU, beat Purdue. ( It might happen
> someday)
> >> > >
> >> > > Ron
> >> > >
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