[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions

Sat Aug 27 09:19:11 EDT 2005

I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they confortable?

Wally

>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>I have Stan's cockpit cushions.  I almost never sit directly on them.  I 
>generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the cushions.  I also 
>have 2 folding seats (available from West for around $50), and 2 beanbag 
>chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at a boat show for around $75 each.  
>All 6 seats can be comfortably deployed simultaneously.  Each seat is more 
>comfortable than any seat that comes standard in any sailboat I've ever 
>been on.
>
>Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable.  They are 7 
>years old and still look brand new.  I store them  (along with all the 
>other seats) on the settee when not in use.  I put them out immediately 
>every time I go on board.  This takes around 14 seconds.  I like them for 
>kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out fenders.  Every now 
>and again I kneel to do something after I have put away the cushions.  Boy 
>those seats are hard!
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Wally Buck wrote:
>
>>Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to 
>>determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired mark 
>>up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large cost for 
>>inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for different 
>>sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to for 
>>"quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this list 
>>that do.
>>
>>Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin 
>>cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting price 
>>locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will look 
>>like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not pay 
>>shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't want 
>>standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with 1 inch 
>>of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made this way and 
>>they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working on best foam 
>>for cockpit (with fill in).
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean this quite seriously.  I 
>>>know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.  At what 
>>>price would you buy various items from Stan?  Which items would you be 
>>>most interested in?  What would you be willing to pay?  You will not be 
>>>held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see if what we all 
>>>want can be done.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made boat 
>>>>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan the 
>>>>source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA" but I 
>>>>have owned many imported cars.
>>>>
>>>>You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat goodies 
>>>>from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin cushions, new 
>>>>cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top enclosure, bimini. 
>>>>The boom room really doesn't interest me. We overnight quite a bit. If 
>>>>it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is nice we like the view from 
>>>>cockpit. We also swim and fish.  I am trying to decide if I should spend 
>>>>the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and use the cash from all of those 
>>>>upgrades for .......
>>>>
>>>>I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish  list as well.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom 
>>>>>rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in China.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring Chinese 
>>>>>manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and Cabin 
>>>>>Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff the Chinese 
>>>>>can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has either, 
>>>>>however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the idea, Brad 
>>>>>is not going to do it.  Stan would make money on every item made in 
>>>>>China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.  There 
>>>>>will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the 
>>>>>ultimate consumers feel about this idea.  If Brad can set up 
>>>>>manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners buy 
>>>>>the Chinese made products?
>>>>>
>>>>>Stan would have to provide the original patterns and specifications, 
>>>>>but that is all Stan would have to do.  Brad believes he can set up a 
>>>>>reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any of 
>>>>>these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan can get 
>>>>>them produced in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms.  Me, Chris, Dave, Bruce, 
>>>>>and maybe Bob.  (Did I miss anyone?)  I would be willing to be the 
>>>>>guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel?  Bob, if we could 
>>>>>bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>
>>>>>What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF sails, 
>>>>>or cockpit fill in cushions?  Is there a price for these items that 
>>>>>would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on the 
>>>>>table?
>>>>>
>>>>>Look at Stan's options prices on his web site 
>>>>>(http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html).  Is there something you 
>>>>>would actually buy if the price were lower?  If so, what would the 
>>>>>price have to be?
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time to see 
>>>>>if he can set up something like this.  If you think this is a terrible 
>>>>>idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we stand.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.  It is 
>>>>>something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket right away, 
>>>>>while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.  It's a win-win...if 
>>>>>Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note.  Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer owns a 
>>>>>Rhodes 22.  There is nothing in this deal for him.  He will always make 
>>>>>more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a crazy sailboat 
>>>>>spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme.  He just happens to be in 
>>>>>China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there was anything he 
>>>>>could do to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
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