[Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sat Aug 27 09:55:39 EDT 2005
Michael,
I agree with you that this project may not be possible. Brad and Dave
are tracking it down, and they will let us know if they can find suppliers.
The people who presently make the Boom Room don't have the boat,
either. I have always guessed that they make the Boom Room first, and
Stan puts the male parts of the snaps on the boat to match where they
have already inserted the female parts. Do I have this wrong?
Alex and Pamela don't have all the boats they manufacture dodgers and
sail covers for, either. It seems to me there isn't much difference
between building dodgers and sail covers, and building boom rooms. Do I
have this wrong?
My guess is that the materials cost of a boom room is $200-$300, that
the labor cost is around $1500. Do I have this wrong?
I am not concerned about Chinese quality control. Wal-Mart has taught
them how to do that. We will get what we pay for. We will get a more
consistent product out of a Chinese firm (if we can find one) than Stan
will get out of an American firm (if he can find one).
I agree with you that the problem is "simple" project management. That
is Stan's fundamental underlying problem. He can either make the boats,
or manage the project. He can't do both at the same time. I think that
people on the list are trying to help Stan manage some aspects of his
problem. You are good at this, and I hope you will help, too. Unless
you think this is a bad idea, in which case I would like to hear your
opinion, which I value.
Bill Effros
michael meltzer wrote:
>You guy are missing the bigest problem with offshore
>boat work, They do not have the boat!!!, You will send
>them spec's and return they will be expecting you to
>pay for, if something is off, your are stuck, the seat
>cushions are not to bad, the templet is pretty stright
>forward, but execpt that someone is going to "eat" the
>coast of a few rounds until they are right. Than a
>really problem keeping Quauiuily control up. CAD/CMA a
>real design to work from??? The boom room with be a
>nightmare with out a boat to work with. someone is
>going to eat alot of money before that one is right
>and than you beeter hope that who ever made it is
>still with the firm for the nrext order or prototype.
>The run quaniantys are to low to do the job right.
>-mjm, The problem is simple project managment.
>
>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to
>>spend. You need to determine
>>production and shipping costs. From there add the
>>desired mark up. That is
>>the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large
>>cost for inventory. I
>>would suspect that prices could be quoted for
>>different sizes. Get quotes
>>for 5, 10 25, each. I have no idea who to go to for
>>"quotes" in China but
>>it sounds like there might be folks on this list
>>that do.
>>
>>Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with
>>fill in. Also cabin
>>cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am
>>also getting price
>>locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the
>>most likely will look like
>>crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam
>>and not pay shipping.
>>Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I
>>don't want standard foam.
>>In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with
>>1 inch of memory foam
>>glued on top side. I have seen cushions made this
>>way and they are great for
>>sleeping and sitting. I am still working on best
>>foam for cockpit (with fill
>>in).
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>
>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
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>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>
>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>Can you put numbers on your desires? I mean this
>>>
>>>
>>quite seriously. I know
>>
>>
>>>you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair
>>>
>>>
>>to Stan. At what price
>>
>>
>>>would you buy various items from Stan? Which items
>>>
>>>
>>would you be most
>>
>>
>>>interested in? What would you be willing to pay?
>>>
>>>
>>You will not be held to
>>
>>
>>>any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see
>>>
>>>
>>if what we all want can
>>
>>
>>>be done.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you are asking me if I have a problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>purchasing Chinese made boat
>>
>>
>>>>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send
>>>>
>>>>
>>payment to Stan the
>>
>>
>>>>source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer
>>>>
>>>>
>>to buy "USA" but I have
>>
>>
>>>>owned many imported cars.
>>>>
>>>>You also asked if price is holding me back from
>>>>
>>>>
>>purchasing boat goodies
>>
>>
>>>>from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have
>>>
>>>
>>new cabin cushions, new
>>
>>
>>>>cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions,
>>>>
>>>>
>>pop-top enclosure, bimini. The
>>
>>
>>>>boom room really doesn't interest me. We overnight
>>>>
>>>>
>>quite a bit. If it is
>>
>>
>>>>stormy we go in cabin. If it is nice we like the
>>>>
>>>>
>>view from cockpit. We
>>
>>
>>>>also swim and fish. I am trying to decide if I
>>>>
>>>>
>>should spend the money on
>>
>>
>>>>my R22 or perhaps sell and use the cash from all
>>>>
>>>>
>>of those upgrades for
>>
>>
>>>>.......
>>>>
>>>>I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish list as
>>>>
>>>>
>>well.
>>
>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>
>>>>>To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>discussion of boom rooms,
>>
>>
>>>>>etc. which he has been following while
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>vacationing in China.
>>
>>
>>>>>Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>his exploring Chinese
>>
>>
>>>>>manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Enclosures, Cockpit and Cabin
>>
>>
>>>>>Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>little stuff the Chinese can
>>
>>
>>>>>make for a fraction of what it costs to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>manufacture in the US.
>>
>>
>>>>>I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>think Brad has either,
>>
>>
>>>>>however it goes without saying that if Stan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>doesn't like the idea, Brad
>>
>>
>>>>>is not going to do it. Stan would make money on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>every item made in
>>
>>
>>>>>China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>what he'll get. There
>>
>>
>>>>>will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>But before he even begins the project, Brad wants
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>to know how the
>>
>>
>>>>>ultimate consumers feel about this idea. If Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>can set up
>>
>>
>>>>>manufacturing in China with Stan's approval,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>would Rhodes owners buy the
>>
>>
>>>>>Chinese made products?
>>>>>
>>>>>Stan would have to provide the original patterns
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>and specifications, but
>>
>>
>>>>>that is all Stan would have to do. Brad believes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>he can set up a
>>
>>
>>>>>reliable manufacturing operation in China that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>will produce any of these
>>
>>
>>>>>products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>than Stan can get them
>>
>>
>>>>>produced in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms. Me,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Chris, Dave, Bruce, and
>>
>>
>>>>>maybe Bob. (Did I miss anyone?) I would be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>willing to be the guinea pig
>>
>>
>>>>>on this. How do the rest of you feel? Bob, if we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>could bring the price
>>
>>
>>>>>down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>
>>>>>What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Battened IMF sails, or
>>
>>
>>>>>cockpit fill in cushions? Is there a price for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>these items that would
>>
>>
>>>>>prompt you to take money out of your pocket and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>put it on the table?
>>
>>
>>>>>Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>>>>(http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html). Is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>there something you
>>
>>
>>>>>would actually buy if the price were lower? If
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>so, what would the price
>>
>>
>>>>>have to be?
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>have much time to see if
>>
>>
>>>>>he can set up something like this. If you think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>this is a terrible idea,
>>
>>
>>>>>please speak up quickly so we all know where we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>stand.
>>
>>
>>>>>I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>actually do it. It is
>>
>>
>>>>>something we can all do to put more money in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Stan's pocket right away,
>>
>>
>>>>>while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> It's a win-win...if
>>
>>
>>>>>Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note. Brad is a commercial airline pilot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>who no longer owns a
>>
>>
>>>>>Rhodes 22. There is nothing in this deal for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>him. He will always make
>>
>>
>>>>>more money flying an airplane than getting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>involved in a crazy sailboat
>>
>>
>>>>>spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme. He
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>just happens to be in China
>>
>>
>>>>>right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>was anything he could do
>>
>>
>>>>>to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
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