Fwd: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?

michael meltzer michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 27 09:09:10 EDT 2005 


--- michael meltzer <michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: michael meltzer <michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
> To: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> 
> in all cases they use a boat for a templet, then
> over
> the couse of projects the design is refined, savage
> the current if posiable, reworked and feed back from
> stan for the next one, Why do you thing thier are
> variasions on the boat. Even something as simple as
> sails(on of the few that did not see the boat, but
> does use a compizied CAD/CAM system), had a few
> batches "trashed" becuase of first round fit
> problem.
> Remember SOP with the offshore is a full set of
> machinchal plans, methods and marials, and a us rep
> appovaling the prototype. Send a rhodes22 into the
> area? Better plan would be have pam/alex make up
> one,
> then send that to be cloned, same goes for the reset
> of the stuff, off for some reset, good luck
> figureing
> it out, the real issue always is who pays for a
> honst
> mistake, It is reversed here from norminal consumer,
> they build to your specs(i.e. they are risk less),
> any
> bad assutions are your fault. -mjm  
> 
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
> > Michael,
> > 
> > I agree with you that this project may not be
> > possible.  Brad and Dave 
> > are tracking it down, and they will let us know if
> > they can find suppliers.
> > 
> > The people who presently make the Boom Room don't
> > have the boat, 
> > either.  I have always guessed that they make the
> > Boom Room first, and 
> > Stan puts the male parts of the snaps on the boat
> to
> > match where they 
> > have already inserted the female parts.  Do I have
> > this wrong?
> > 
> > Alex and Pamela don't have all the boats they
> > manufacture dodgers and 
> > sail covers for, either.  It seems to me there
> isn't
> > much difference 
> > between building dodgers and sail covers, and
> > building boom rooms.  Do I 
> > have this wrong?
> > 
> > My guess is that the materials cost of a boom room
> > is $200-$300, that 
> > the labor cost is around $1500.  Do I have this
> > wrong?
> > 
> > I am not concerned about Chinese quality control. 
> > Wal-Mart has taught 
> > them how to do that.  We will get what we pay for.
> 
> > We will get a more 
> > consistent product out of a Chinese firm (if we
> can
> > find one) than Stan 
> > will get out of an American firm (if he can find
> > one).
> > 
> > I agree with you that the problem is "simple"
> > project management.  That 
> > is Stan's fundamental underlying problem.  He can
> > either make the boats, 
> > or manage the project.  He can't do both at the
> same
> > time.  I think that 
> > people on the list are trying to help Stan manage
> > some aspects of his 
> > problem.  You are good at this, and I hope you
> will
> > help, too.  Unless 
> > you think this is a bad idea, in which case I
> would
> > like to hear your 
> > opinion, which I value.
> > 
> > Bill Effros
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > michael meltzer wrote:
> > 
> > >You guy are missing the bigest problem with
> > offshore
> > >boat work, They do not have the boat!!!, You will
> > send
> > >them spec's and return they will be expecting you
> > to
> > >pay for, if something is off, your are stuck, the
> > seat
> > >cushions are not to bad, the templet is pretty
> > stright
> > >forward, but execpt that someone is going to
> "eat"
> > the
> > >coast of a few rounds until they are right. Than
> a
> > >really problem keeping Quauiuily control up.
> > CAD/CMA a
> > >real design to work from??? The boom room with be
> a
> > >nightmare with out a boat to work with. someone
> is
> > >going to eat alot of money before that one is
> right
> > >and than you beeter hope that who ever made it is
> > >still with the firm for the nrext order or
> > prototype.
> > >The run quaniantys are to low to do the job
> right.
> > >-mjm, The problem is simple project managment. 
> > >
> > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to
> > >>spend. You need to determine 
> > >>production and shipping costs. From there add
> the
> > >>desired mark up. That is 
> > >>the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry
> > large
> > >>cost for inventory. I 
> > >>would suspect that prices could be quoted for
> > >>different sizes. Get quotes 
> > >>for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to
> > for
> > >>"quotes" in China but 
> > >>it sounds like there might be folks on this list
> > >>that do.
> > >>
> > >>Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with
> > >>fill in. Also cabin 
> > >>cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I
> am
> > >>also getting price 
> > >>locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the
> > >>most likely will look like 
> > >>crap. Having them done locally means I can test
> > foam
> > >>and not pay shipping. 
> > >>Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I
> > >>don't want standard foam. 
> > >>In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam
> > with
> > >>1 inch of memory foam 
> > >>glued on top side. I have seen cushions made
> this
> > >>way and they are great for 
> > >>sleeping and sitting. I am still working on best
> > >>foam for cockpit (with fill 
> > >>in).
> > >>
> > >>Wally
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> > >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom
> Rooms?
> > >>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
> > >>>
> > >>>Wally,
> > >>>
> > >>>Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean
> this
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>quite seriously.  I know 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>you use your boat, and I know you want to be
> fair
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>to Stan.  At what price 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>would you buy various items from Stan?  Which
> > items
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>would you be most 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>interested in?  What would you be willing to
> pay?
> > 
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>You will not be held to 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>any of this--it is just part of an exercise to
> > see
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>if what we all want can 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>be done.
> > >>>
> > >>>Bill Effros
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Wally Buck wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>>>If you are asking me if I have a problem
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>purchasing Chinese made boat 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and
> send
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>payment to Stan the 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>>source doesn't concern me too much. I would
> > prefer
> > 
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> 
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