[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions

Sat Aug 27 12:42:23 EDT 2005

Bill, Thanks for your response. To clarify. I have cushions in cockpit now 
but they are shot. I do like the folding chairs but I would rather put that 
money toward new cushions.

I was wondering if you added all of these other seating devices because the 
cushions were uncomfortable. Your first description of seating arrangements 
didn't mention comfort of cockpit cushions alone. Your solution would have 
me purchasing 2 Captains Chairs, 2 bean bag chairs, and 2 folding chairs 
from West along with all new cockpit cushions. That is not an option.

i like an uncluttered cockpit as well as uncluttered cabin. Anne says her GB 
cushions are comfortable so that answered my question. :-)

Wally

Lawn is mowed - NOW I am off to lake!

>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:49:00 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>I guess I never even considered sailing without cushions on the fiberglass 
>benches.  Even though I frequently sail single handed, and always sail from 
>Captain's Seats, I always put out Stan's cushions--every single time.  They 
>are part of the boat, as far as I'm concerned.  I think the proportions of 
>everything are better for sailing when the cushions are in place.  Also, as 
>noted previously, I don't bang myself up as much with the cushions 
>protecting me from harder surfaces.
>
>I only sit on the cushions when hove-to, or at anchor, and I guess they are 
>comfortable, enough.  But they are not as comfortable as the cushions with 
>bean bag chairs on top of them, or the cushions with "Elton's" folding 
>seats on top of them.  (I never put the bean bag chairs or folding seats 
>directly on the fiberglass benches--that is not as comfortable as Stan's 
>cushions alone.)
>
>When guests come aboard my boat they always marvel at how comfortable they 
>all are--not just the person who grabs the other Captain's seat.  My boat 
>has 6 comfortable seats while sailing.  They are all based on putting 
>Stan's cockpit cushions over the hard benches.  Since I sail the boat 
>upright, people do not shift back and forth every time I tack.  They find a 
>comfortable seat, and stay in it for the entire ride.
>
>My cockpit, with Stan's cushions and my additional seats, is more 
>comfortable for all of the passengers and crew than any other boat I've 
>ever been in.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Wally Buck wrote:
>
>>I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they 
>>confortable?
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>I have Stan's cockpit cushions.  I almost never sit directly on them.  I 
>>>generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the cushions.  I also 
>>>have 2 folding seats (available from West for around $50), and 2 beanbag 
>>>chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at a boat show for around $75 
>>>each.  All 6 seats can be comfortably deployed simultaneously.  Each seat 
>>>is more comfortable than any seat that comes standard in any sailboat 
>>>I've ever been on.
>>>
>>>Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable.  They are 7 
>>>years old and still look brand new.  I store them  (along with all the 
>>>other seats) on the settee when not in use.  I put them out immediately 
>>>every time I go on board.  This takes around 14 seconds.  I like them for 
>>>kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out fenders.  Every now 
>>>and again I kneel to do something after I have put away the cushions.  
>>>Boy those seats are hard!
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to 
>>>>determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired mark 
>>>>up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large cost 
>>>>for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for different 
>>>>sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to for 
>>>>"quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this list 
>>>>that do.
>>>>
>>>>Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin 
>>>>cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting price 
>>>>locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will look 
>>>>like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not pay 
>>>>shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't want 
>>>>standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with 1 
>>>>inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made this 
>>>>way and they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working on 
>>>>best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean this quite seriously.  I 
>>>>>know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.  At 
>>>>>what price would you buy various items from Stan?  Which items would 
>>>>>you be most interested in?  What would you be willing to pay?  You will 
>>>>>not be held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see if 
>>>>>what we all want can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made boat 
>>>>>>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan the 
>>>>>>source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA" but I 
>>>>>>have owned many imported cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat 
>>>>>>goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin 
>>>>>>cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top 
>>>>>>enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We 
>>>>>>overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is nice 
>>>>>>we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish.  I am trying to 
>>>>>>decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and use 
>>>>>>the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish  list as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom 
>>>>>>>rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring Chinese 
>>>>>>>manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and 
>>>>>>>Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff the 
>>>>>>>Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture in 
>>>>>>>the US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has either, 
>>>>>>>however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the idea, 
>>>>>>>Brad is not going to do it.  Stan would make money on every item made 
>>>>>>>in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.  
>>>>>>>There will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the 
>>>>>>>ultimate consumers feel about this idea.  If Brad can set up 
>>>>>>>manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners buy 
>>>>>>>the Chinese made products?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stan would have to provide the original patterns and specifications, 
>>>>>>>but that is all Stan would have to do.  Brad believes he can set up a 
>>>>>>>reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any of 
>>>>>>>these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan can 
>>>>>>>get them produced in the US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms.  Me, Chris, Dave, Bruce, 
>>>>>>>and maybe Bob.  (Did I miss anyone?)  I would be willing to be the 
>>>>>>>guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel?  Bob, if we could 
>>>>>>>bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF sails, 
>>>>>>>or cockpit fill in cushions?  Is there a price for these items that 
>>>>>>>would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on the 
>>>>>>>table?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look at Stan's options prices on his web site 
>>>>>>>(http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html).  Is there something you 
>>>>>>>would actually buy if the price were lower?  If so, what would the 
>>>>>>>price have to be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time to 
>>>>>>>see if he can set up something like this.  If you think this is a 
>>>>>>>terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we stand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.  It 
>>>>>>>is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket right 
>>>>>>>away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.  It's a 
>>>>>>>win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please note.  Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer owns a 
>>>>>>>Rhodes 22.  There is nothing in this deal for him.  He will always 
>>>>>>>make more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a crazy 
>>>>>>>sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme.  He just happens 
>>>>>>>to be in China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there was 
>>>>>>>anything he could do to help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Effros
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