[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sat Aug 27 10:49:00 EDT 2005
Wally,
I guess I never even considered sailing without cushions on the
fiberglass benches. Even though I frequently sail single handed, and
always sail from Captain's Seats, I always put out Stan's
cushions--every single time. They are part of the boat, as far as I'm
concerned. I think the proportions of everything are better for sailing
when the cushions are in place. Also, as noted previously, I don't bang
myself up as much with the cushions protecting me from harder surfaces.
I only sit on the cushions when hove-to, or at anchor, and I guess they
are comfortable, enough. But they are not as comfortable as the
cushions with bean bag chairs on top of them, or the cushions with
"Elton's" folding seats on top of them. (I never put the bean bag
chairs or folding seats directly on the fiberglass benches--that is not
as comfortable as Stan's cushions alone.)
When guests come aboard my boat they always marvel at how comfortable
they all are--not just the person who grabs the other Captain's seat.
My boat has 6 comfortable seats while sailing. They are all based on
putting Stan's cockpit cushions over the hard benches. Since I sail the
boat upright, people do not shift back and forth every time I tack.
They find a comfortable seat, and stay in it for the entire ride.
My cockpit, with Stan's cushions and my additional seats, is more
comfortable for all of the passengers and crew than any other boat I've
ever been in.
Bill Effros
Wally Buck wrote:
> I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they
> confortable?
>
> Wally
>
>
>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
>>
>> Wally,
>>
>> I have Stan's cockpit cushions. I almost never sit directly on
>> them. I generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the
>> cushions. I also have 2 folding seats (available from West for
>> around $50), and 2 beanbag chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at
>> a boat show for around $75 each. All 6 seats can be comfortably
>> deployed simultaneously. Each seat is more comfortable than any seat
>> that comes standard in any sailboat I've ever been on.
>>
>> Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable. They
>> are 7 years old and still look brand new. I store them (along with
>> all the other seats) on the settee when not in use. I put them out
>> immediately every time I go on board. This takes around 14 seconds.
>> I like them for kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out
>> fenders. Every now and again I kneel to do something after I have
>> put away the cushions. Boy those seats are hard!
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to
>>> determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired
>>> mark up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry
>>> large cost for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be
>>> quoted for different sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each. I have
>>> no idea who to go to for "quotes" in China but it sounds like there
>>> might be folks on this list that do.
>>>
>>> Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin
>>> cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting
>>> price locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely
>>> will look like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam
>>> and not pay shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but
>>> I don't want standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches
>>> of foam with 1 inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen
>>> cushions made this way and they are great for sleeping and sitting.
>>> I am still working on best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>>
>>>> Wally,
>>>>
>>>> Can you put numbers on your desires? I mean this quite seriously.
>>>> I know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.
>>>> At what price would you buy various items from Stan? Which items
>>>> would you be most interested in? What would you be willing to
>>>> pay? You will not be held to any of this--it is just part of an
>>>> exercise to see if what we all want can be done.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made
>>>>> boat parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to
>>>>> Stan the source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy
>>>>> "USA" but I have owned many imported cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat
>>>>> goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin
>>>>> cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top
>>>>> enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We
>>>>> overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is
>>>>> nice we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish. I am
>>>>> trying to decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps
>>>>> sell and use the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom
>>>>>> rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring
>>>>>> Chinese manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures,
>>>>>> Cockpit and Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the
>>>>>> little stuff the Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs
>>>>>> to manufacture in the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has
>>>>>> either, however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like
>>>>>> the idea, Brad is not going to do it. Stan would make money on
>>>>>> every item made in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's
>>>>>> what he'll get. There will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the
>>>>>> ultimate consumers feel about this idea. If Brad can set up
>>>>>> manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners
>>>>>> buy the Chinese made products?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stan would have to provide the original patterns and
>>>>>> specifications, but that is all Stan would have to do. Brad
>>>>>> believes he can set up a reliable manufacturing operation in
>>>>>> China that will produce any of these products to Stan's
>>>>>> satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan can get them produced in
>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms. Me, Chris, Dave,
>>>>>> Bruce, and maybe Bob. (Did I miss anyone?) I would be willing
>>>>>> to be the guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel? Bob,
>>>>>> if we could bring the price down, at what price would you be a
>>>>>> player?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF
>>>>>> sails, or cockpit fill in cushions? Is there a price for these
>>>>>> items that would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and
>>>>>> put it on the table?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>>>>> (http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html). Is there something
>>>>>> you would actually buy if the price were lower? If so, what
>>>>>> would the price have to be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time
>>>>>> to see if he can set up something like this. If you think this
>>>>>> is a terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where
>>>>>> we stand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.
>>>>>> It is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket
>>>>>> right away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.
>>>>>> It's a win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please note. Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer
>>>>>> owns a Rhodes 22. There is nothing in this deal for him. He
>>>>>> will always make more money flying an airplane than getting
>>>>>> involved in a crazy sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing
>>>>>> scheme. He just happens to be in China right now, saw Stan's
>>>>>> Lament, and asked if there was anything he could do to help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
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