[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions

[Slim]

Wally,

Yes, they're different.  They're a different color, not as thick and seem to
be made of a different kind of foam.  Much harder.

Slim

On 8/27/05 11:30 AM, "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> So your filler cushions are different? Is that the norm?
> 
> Wally
> 
> 
>> From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:10:39 -0500
>> 
>> Wally,
>> 
>> My GB cockpit cushions are very comfortable and as you might guess from my
>> nick name, I have very little natural padding to make sitting any better.
>> I
>> sleep on them comfortably as well.  Not true of my filler cushions--they're
>> hard as a rock and I rarely use them.
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
>> On 8/27/05 10:42 AM, "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill, Thanks for your response. To clarify. I have cushions in cockpit
>> now
>>> but they are shot. I do like the folding chairs but I would rather put
>> that
>>> money toward new cushions.
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if you added all of these other seating devices because
>> the
>>> cushions were uncomfortable. Your first description of seating
>> arrangements
>>> didn't mention comfort of cockpit cushions alone. Your solution would
>> have
>>> me purchasing 2 Captains Chairs, 2 bean bag chairs, and 2 folding chairs
>>> from West along with all new cockpit cushions. That is not an option.
>>> 
>>> i like an uncluttered cockpit as well as uncluttered cabin. Anne says
>> her GB
>>> cushions are comfortable so that answered my question. :-)
>>> 
>>> Wally
>>> 
>>> Lawn is mowed - NOW I am off to lake!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:49:00 -0400
>>>> 
>>>> Wally,
>>>> 
>>>> I guess I never even considered sailing without cushions on the
>> fiberglass
>>>> benches.  Even though I frequently sail single handed, and always sail
>> from
>>>> Captain's Seats, I always put out Stan's cushions--every single time.
>> They
>>>> are part of the boat, as far as I'm concerned.  I think the proportions
>> of
>>>> everything are better for sailing when the cushions are in place.
>> Also, as
>>>> noted previously, I don't bang myself up as much with the cushions
>>>> protecting me from harder surfaces.
>>>> 
>>>> I only sit on the cushions when hove-to, or at anchor, and I guess they
>> are
>>>> comfortable, enough.  But they are not as comfortable as the cushions
>> with
>>>> bean bag chairs on top of them, or the cushions with "Elton's" folding
>>>> seats on top of them.  (I never put the bean bag chairs or folding
>> seats
>>>> directly on the fiberglass benches--that is not as comfortable as
>> Stan's
>>>> cushions alone.)
>>>> 
>>>> When guests come aboard my boat they always marvel at how comfortable
>> they
>>>> all are--not just the person who grabs the other Captain's seat.  My
>> boat
>>>> has 6 comfortable seats while sailing.  They are all based on putting
>>>> Stan's cockpit cushions over the hard benches.  Since I sail the boat
>>>> upright, people do not shift back and forth every time I tack.  They
>> find a
>>>> comfortable seat, and stay in it for the entire ride.
>>>> 
>>>> My cockpit, with Stan's cushions and my additional seats, is more
>>>> comfortable for all of the passengers and crew than any other boat I've
>>>> ever been in.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>> 
>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they
>>>>> confortable?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wally
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have Stan's cockpit cushions.  I almost never sit directly on them.
>>  I
>>>>>> generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the cushions.  I
>> also
>>>>>> have 2 folding seats (available from West for around $50), and 2
>> beanbag
>>>>>> chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at a boat show for around $75
>>>>>> each.  All 6 seats can be comfortably deployed simultaneously.  Each
>> seat
>>>>>> is more comfortable than any seat that comes standard in any sailboat
>>>>>> I've ever been on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable.  They
>> are 7
>>>>>> years old and still look brand new.  I store them  (along with all
>> the
>>>>>> other seats) on the settee when not in use.  I put them out
>> immediately
>>>>>> every time I go on board.  This takes around 14 seconds.  I like them
>> for
>>>>>> kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out fenders.  Every
>> now
>>>>>> and again I kneel to do something after I have put away the cushions.
>>>>>> Boy those seats are hard!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to
>>>>>>> determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired
>> mark
>>>>>>> up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large
>> cost
>>>>>>> for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for
>> different
>>>>>>> sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to
>> for
>>>>>>> "quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this
>> list
>>>>>>> that do.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin
>>>>>>> cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting
>> price
>>>>>>> locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will
>> look
>>>>>>> like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not
>> pay
>>>>>>> shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't
>> want
>>>>>>> standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with
>> 1
>>>>>>> inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made
>> this
>>>>>>> way and they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working
>> on
>>>>>>> best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean this quite seriously.
>> I
>>>>>>>> know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.  At
>>>>>>>> what price would you buy various items from Stan?  Which items
>> would
>>>>>>>> you be most interested in?  What would you be willing to pay?  You
>> will
>>>>>>>> not be held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see
>> if
>>>>>>>> what we all want can be done.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made
>> boat
>>>>>>>>> parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan
>> the
>>>>>>>>> source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA"
>> but I
>>>>>>>>> have owned many imported cars.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat
>>>>>>>>> goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin
>>>>>>>>> cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top
>>>>>>>>> enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We
>>>>>>>>> overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is
>> nice
>>>>>>>>> we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish.  I am trying
>> to
>>>>>>>>> decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and
>> use
>>>>>>>>> the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish  list as well.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom
>>>>>>>>>> rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in
>> China.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring
>> Chinese
>>>>>>>>>> manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and
>>>>>>>>>> Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture
>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has
>> either,
>>>>>>>>>> however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the
>> idea,
>>>>>>>>>> Brad is not going to do it.  Stan would make money on every item
>> made
>>>>>>>>>> in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.
>>>>>>>>>> There will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the
>>>>>>>>>> ultimate consumers feel about this idea.  If Brad can set up
>>>>>>>>>> manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners
>> buy
>>>>>>>>>> the Chinese made products?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Stan would have to provide the original patterns and
>> specifications,
>>>>>>>>>> but that is all Stan would have to do.  Brad believes he can set
>> up a
>>>>>>>>>> reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any
>> of
>>>>>>>>>> these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan
>> can
>>>>>>>>>> get them produced in the US.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms.  Me, Chris, Dave,
>> Bruce,
>>>>>>>>>> and maybe Bob.  (Did I miss anyone?)  I would be willing to be
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel?  Bob, if we
>> could
>>>>>>>>>> bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF
>> sails,
>>>>>>>>>> or cockpit fill in cushions?  Is there a price for these items
>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> table?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html).  Is there something
>> you
>>>>>>>>>> would actually buy if the price were lower?  If so, what would
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> price have to be?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> see if he can set up something like this.  If you think this is a
>>>>>>>>>> terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we
>> stand.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.
>> It
>>>>>>>>>> is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket
>> right
>>>>>>>>>> away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.  It's a
>>>>>>>>>> win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Please note.  Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer
>> owns a
>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes 22.  There is nothing in this deal for him.  He will
>> always
>>>>>>>>>> make more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a
>> crazy
>>>>>>>>>> sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme.  He just
>> happens
>>>>>>>>>> to be in China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there
>> was
>>>>>>>>>> anything he could do to help.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list